The Heavyweight division could be one of the best divisions,

Do you really want to see brothers fight each other? That only happens in movies. If ever Klitschlos brothers decided to fight each other, both will try to win to prove the world who is better BUT they will yield from time to time. So, not a good fight but it can be a good show. Most boxing fans are aware of it and only few are disappointed not seeing them fight.

There is just one disappointment I ever experience as a boxing fan. There are 2 men who dislikes each other so much and is a perfect fight for the ages, but for some reason, I still don't understand their reason. Do you have any clue who I'm talking about?
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...I'm talking about Bob Arum Vs. Mayweather Senior.

 

I am still waiting to see all of these great fights you are going to list . . . All I see are a bunch of c and c- fighters facing off! I do not understand how this will make the HW division one of the best division. Is it because all theses "contenders" fought a bunch of "No-hopers" to pad their records? If you are suggesting a tournament, that might put some lipstick on that pig and might bring a little buzz around the division. But whats the payoff . . . getting paid peanuts to fight K2

 

This is a thread about Heavyweights. We're not talking about ***git-ass midgets in this thread. **** off.

 

i probobly don't know my boxing well enough but i am 90% sure that never before in the history of boxing two brothers were that dominenet in the sport. you might want to inflict pain on your brother for the sake of the audience but not everyone is like that. :yikes

 

Boxing isn't a sport of sentiment, they should of been forced to fight a long time ago and if they refuse the belt should be vacated.

 

Bull****. Holmes and Dokes acted as a tag team for Don King in the early 80s, and they weren't even brothers. Well....blood brothers. My advice, read more.

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You can't vacate the title, but I feel Vitali should lose his #1 ranking for not facing the Champion. Povetkin arguably has a better resume than Vitali but he won't fight Wlad either...

But on topic, its the modern system of contenders not facing each other that is really the problem. There are some fun and intriguing match ups that could be made that just aren't happening.

 

I have a brother and if i participated in a violent sport where i had teh choice to put my brother in the hospital or just enjoy my reign fighting the next guys in line... i'll choose the later.

If the klitschkos vecate the belts... what then, 2nd tier heavies fight for it and we have a 2nd povetkin? nothing will change with the exception of who holds the belts... the heavyweight hierchy would still look the same.

lets agree to disagree on this one

 

How was the past better where Ali went life to death with a guy who was blind in his left eye and had a 25% ko ratio on 215+lbs opponents.

 

Because that blind ******* went through past it Chuvalo, Bonavena x2, past it Machen, Buster Mathis, Quarry, Ellis, and Bob Foster.

That would be the modern equivalent of say Boystov running through past it Tua, Arreola x2, past it Chageav, Fury, Adamek, Povetkin, and Haye. Come on, that would be damn impressive. He would be considered the best contender in years, and we would be praising the hell out of those match ups.

 

for his weight his was a tough man.
He had a 100% KO ratio to all his opponents who were less than 200 lbs.(they weren't the best opponents though but still something he can be proud of)
But to guys who were 200-214 lbs his KO ratio was 55%.

But men have become bigger and heavier.
He has fought a lot in/around cruiserweight against cruiserweights.
Today somebody who resembles frazier a little bit would be a cruiser first.

Also there is no modern Joe frazier, he probably wouldn't be allowed to be a pro boxer with one blind eye.

Comparing Tyson to more modern heavyweights is also stupid, everybody looks like a boring **** next to Tyson.

Also Ali beyond the cool youtube clips were his rare reflexes are shown also seemed a rather reflexless guy.
He also seemed blind to the left hook from frazier

Wlad and Vitali aren't killing the hw division either, Wlad vs Chagaev had 40000 people, Ali vs frazier 10000 in the stadium.

My main point is that I don't like nostalgia tears.


I did make a mistake in my previous post, frazier his KO ratio should have been 45% not 25%, his 25% is when both he and his opponents weighted 215lbs+


Edit: Also I would like to add, in what is considered Ali his prime, Ali his median weight was 199lbs.
They made the cruiserweight for a reason, prime Ali is a cruiser and not a superheavyweight.

Well...
Of the 61 fights that Clay/Ali fought 29 wouldn't be allowed nowadays as heavyweight because one or both opponents were below 200 lbs at the time of the bout. In other words they would run as cruiser fights (or below) and Klitschko wouldn't be allowed to stage them.
Of the remaining 32 fights Ali lost 4.
Of the remaining 28 fights Ali fought 10x against opponents LIGHTER than Eddie Chambers (Wladimir Klitschko's lightest opponent), thus today's fans would shout "they should move down to cruiserweight" and "it's proof of how the division sucks" or what a mismatch it is.
Of the remaining 18 fights 2 wouldn't be allowed for medical reasons: Joe Frazier was blind on his left eye and Cleveland Williams was gunshot. Another proof of the "dire state of the division"
Of the remaining 16 fights Ali couldn't KO his opponents in 10 fights (within 12 rounds) thus they would be "proof of how featherfisty Wlad is with a KO'ratio of 38%" and that "Marciano would KO this bum Wlad in 1 round"
Of the remaining 6 fights 1 was a bum ·Charley Powell (25-11) which would be another proof for the "worst era in heavyweight boxing"
Of the remaining 5 fights 2 were against guys coming off a loss (Ron Lyle, Alvin Lewis) and fans would accuse Wlad of "cherry-picking".
Of the remaining 3 fights 2 were against a cruiser-bum beater (Sonny Liston) and fans would speculate about how the mob or Wladimir's radical Muslim friends have illegally influenced the outcome, since both endings (shoulder injury, phantom punch) were highly suspicious. Fans would complain that Sonny Liston didn't come to fight since he chickened out as soon as he saw fit.
The remaining 1 fight was against an opponent who gassed in the heat and sultriness of the rain season in the rain forest (George Foreman) and fans would shout "Lame, nowadays heavies cannot go 15 rounds anymore like Joe Louis".

 

this has kind of been the big problem at the weight

all the guys are waiting in the deli line to pull their ticket and have the number called

The Klitschkos have the belts and are the big draws, so every good fighter in the division sets his sites on that fight

so to get there they do just enough to get ranked avoid the other tough fights and cash in and get beat

The state of the division would be better the contenders would get better and the fights would become better

plus hanger ons who have a rank but dont deserve it would get weeded out and the real talents would shine

a guy who i think earned the shot....Chambers after he lost to Povetkin he beat Brock Guinn Peter and Dimitrenko that is really earning the shot

what may also be the second big poison at the weight is these top flight contenders refusing to fight Klitschko

Povetkin and Arreola both earned shots but declined and now sit idle not really doing too much and not really going for the big one or taking on a solid fight

 

interesting post... thanks for the info.

 

-Misleading stat. He obviously lost to Ali and Foreman twice. And while Fraizer at his best didn't stop Ali or Oscar. Oscar was only stopped once by Ali after 15 exhausting rounds and Ali was only stopped while suffering from Parkisons against Holmes. Frazier stopped tough big men like Mathis, Ellis, and Chuvalo. Size has nothing to do with whom he stopped or didn't.

-Kessler just recenlty beat Froch while suffering from similar eye problems. Frazier developed a style that favored his strong eye and made him very difficult hit with constant movement.

-Sorry the rest of your post was a rambling unfocused rant. I think Fraizer would tear through any HW today not named Vitali or Wlad. Haye is a bit of wild card but he had troubles with Mormek. Adamek and Povetkin aren't any better or any bigger than Quarry and Ellis.