The Holyfield Of 1990 Fighting In The 1950's

Holyfield beats them all as long he is one his favorite PED's.......most on that list are stone old, skinny , balding,chiney and not ONE big skilled one on there , not one.......Marciano will be stopped on cuts, bank on it.

Bowe from the first Holy fight would also go thru that list like a hot knife thru butter.
80's Tyson and 70's Foreman would be arrested for man slaughter while executing said pensioners and no hoppers with certified glass chins.

I am not even a Liston fan but he is doing a number on all of them too, especially Marciano.. "Shooting Fish in a Barrel".

 

Holyfield is one of my favorite fighters ever but I’d bet my house Moore embarrasses him and Marciano wins. Moore is just a bad matchup for the real deal

 

Hes far and away a better technical boxer

 

How so? I don't see it at all.

 

How so...for me just watch film. Charles is a much more accomplished boxer than Holy. On a higher technical level.

 

I've watched the film and I would say the exact opposite.

Guess we can agree to disagree.

 

Holyfield had a bigger problem w smaller good counter punchers then he did w the big slow guys. Tooney Byrd Moorer Qawi. I see Moore winning an easy decision and real close fight w Walcott and Charles. Moore gets little praise for his hw career but he was rather successful. Wouldn’t take a Moore post Marciano though.

 

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There is no basis for this. For example, Holyfield looks much better at nearly everything for me in his prime compared to Charles vs Louis ghost. Quicker movement, much better variety of hooked punches. Better dodges lateral, much better jab for me. Better body tension. No lanky movement. Better control of distance by beeing better on foot, not like Charles just dodging head first into the chest (and catch dangerous uppercuts, when oppononent is able to). Better defensively, better counter punching. No matter how much muscle Charles could gain, a Tyson, Bowe or LL would do a number on this guy.

Not to mention "god given attributes": Better power, better chin.

Holyfield was a master of boxing, a reason why he could carry that smaller body to the limits of HW boxing.

 

Well I completely disagree I stand by what I said. Your entitled to your opinion obviously.

 

Absolutely..nothing wrong with that it's all about opinions and perceptions as anyway

 

I would call Holyfield vs Marciano one of the epic time machine wars, and struggle to pick a winner.

I think Holyfield would beat or best in a series Walcott, Charles, Moore

The rest I think some will be close or closely contested for a fight that does not go to the finish. But he would win or settle the score on the off chance he loses.

To me he and Rocky is a war, and the only one I feel uncertain of

 

When I see comments like noting most are "balding"-untrue, but irrelevant-I know that like some who always favor the old timers, the person is incapable of objectivity.
Only able to argue for his own psychological bias.

I would slightly favor Holyfield over Charles, Walcott & Moore.
More so the older they get.
If they were the same age as Holyfield was in 1990, except for Walcott who was not able to train properly, I would favor the 50's crowd.
If Holyfield was their ages, just because he had bulked (& drugged) up I must favor him.

With Marciano, it would be an epic battle.
You could argue it either way.
IF Rocky was not stopped on cuts, I would slightly favor him.
If Evander boxed & did not brawl, the opposite.
But he usually could be goaded into a firefight.

 

The same can be said for the opposite position of always favoring the modern fighter

 

I think Holyfield... probably cleans house in the fifties. Marciano will make him work a bit but lose a clear UD because he just can't crack Holyfeld's chin. Even so I expect Holyfield will be damn sore after the fight, and maybe even have a couple cracked ribs.

I think Walcott gives him the most trouble in a fight where the "feeling out" stage lasts well into and even past the mid rounds, but loses a competitive fight by a fairly clear decision.