The Hopkins /Calzaghe debate once and for all....

That's scarcely a response to the point made.

I don't think there's much doubt amongst serious students of the sport as to who won the fight.

 

Erm, do you live on this planet? There is much doubt, of course there is, hence why a year later a boxing forum still rages on the subject. Go into the Classic and dismiss the opinions and reasoning of guys like Russell, and your arrogance on the subject and your laughably skewed scoring will get the shortest of shrifts.

And as I said, the very idea that the current version of Joe Calzaghe could have stopped Bernard Hopkins is not worthy of a response, it's ludicrous.

 

Mandatory Bum eh?

You are a bum, but dignifying you with a response is not mandatory, thankfully. Just watch the end of round 7 and ask yourself if you are an objective fan with a grasp of this sport, or a Calzaghe-worshipping moron. Whether you believe he won the fight or not, he was visibly shaken at the end of the 7th. Open your eyes. Or **** off. I'm not fussed which option you select. :hi:

 

I didn't mention my scoring of the fight in this thread. I only relayed how the three American judges scored the contest.

As well as what Manny Stewart and Harold Lederman had to say about it.


And the vast bulk of those in both the General and Classic forum scored the bout for Calzaghe at the time. There were about five polls conducted some with over 500 responses, and the weighting was around 80 % in favour of Calzaghe, including the two most respected posters on here at the time, Brooklyn and Kg.

As well as many die-hard and respected Bernard fans such as Sues2nd.

 

they both are great fighters. and that's all I really care about.

 

I posted two gifs of the end of the 7th & spelled out what happened in the last thread where you made the ludicrous "Calzaghe was about to be ko'ed" comment you blind twat.

& I'm not even a Calzaghe fan, whereas you seem to be a Calzaghe hater who doesn't see too well.

 

It's irrelevant whether you mentioned your scoring or not, I'm mentioning it because anyone who scored the fight 9-3 should not be taken seriously with regard to scoring, you clearly prize workrate over everything else, and that's just not how a fight should be scored.

You can list who scored the fight to Joe, I can list who scored it to Bernard, but what's the point? We value different things when scoring a fight, listing names is not going to change that. It's a dead subject.

 

I never said anywhere at any time that "Calzaghe was about to be KO'd" you remedial child, so you can take that back for starters. I said if the round had gone on a little longer, Joe would've been on the deck again - and he would've. We saw what B-Hop could do to him in the first round with a single shot, he hit him with a couple of clean hard shots at the end of the 7th (that's couple more clean hard punches than Joe landed the entire night) and Joe was visibly wobbling. Another couple and Joe would have been down again. I don't know whether it's just bias or a lack of understanding of this sport that prevents you from seeing that, but I don't much care, I'm bored of trying to educate you. :hi:

 

Pretty much sums up my feeling on the fight.

 

People tend to forget Kelly was the smaller man that night... its not his best weight which him and his camp are the first to admit, esp after his second performance against Taylor at that catch weight... Im probably the only few that would say Hopkins was really the one who had the more advantages over Kelly... Calzaghe deserves all the respect by defeating Bernard, even those slaps as people refer to them almost would have put Mr.Hopkins down if it wasnt for his incredible acting, he was very fatigue... He fought a man his own size that night... much respect to Joe...

 

It's very relevant when you refer to my "...laughably skewed scoring..."

The point I was making was that it was the judges scoring, not mine.

Two very respectable judges who do this for a living scored it 9-3 and 8-4.

I, and a good number of other boxing fans DO take them seriously.

The point is that an good majority of fans and a good majority of experts, including the appointed judges, scored it for Joe.

True.

Very true.

As I've mentioned to you before, we sometimes value different aspects of a fighters performance and this leads to differences in scorings of the same fight.

This one has been done to death.

The reason I entered the thread at all was that some clown stated categorically that Hopkins win the fight (Post #33). Period. No debate. He had seen it with his own eyes.

Clearly, there are other viewpoints, hence my initial post.

 

Delusional. Here's what you said;

Pure fantasy.

Here's where it's spelled out for you.
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=116245&page=2

You couldn't "educate" anyone here. It's hilarious how you actually try to act like you are some ****ing authority in these discussions when you're clearly an internet noob who hasn't a clue what he's on about.

san rafeal's another delusional child, only he thinks typing "owned" in large bold letters makes him right.

 

The Calzaghe loss is sandwiched between two of the more impressive wins of Hopkins career so that shows he's not that far gone

As far as the fight, for people who claim Hopkins won, all you have to look at to know that even Hopkins knew he was losing was the shameless attempt to get points deducted or get Joe DQ'd by faking the low blow. That is not the move a winning fighter pulls. That's something that a desperate fighter who needs a miracle tries to do

 

Don't recall Calzaghe being in any trouble at any part of the fight, even after the KD.

I'll watch round 7 when I get home to see what you're referring to.

 

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