A fine film, marked with good performances (Washington & Hedaya in particular), and certainly a worthy bit of lore for those interested in the background of one of the sport's more interesting characters...but some excessively glorifying artistic merit does seem to have been taken with Carter's career. The Griffith KO at the opening credits I have no problem with - they reenact the slaughter that was Rubin's best win dramatically but not inaccurately. The portrayal of the Giardello decision being an all-time robbery, and particularly of the 15th round (of which footage is widely available) as being a totally one-sided thrashing are a bit of a reach. Carter won the 15th 10-9 but it was not like he'd been that dominant over the course of the fight, and Joey had his moments in it, right up to the bell. Also, they chose to recreate his knockout of the "undefeated" Joey Cooper as the third (and only other) one of his matches to demonstrate who he was in the ring. Unless the records are incomplete, Cooper was 1-0-1 and Carter himself in only his 2nd pro fight. This was not an especially important win of his. He had plenty of other knockouts later in his career. It also wasn't tied in to the plot (which featured many an anachronistic leap) in a way that it couldn't have been a fight from any other point in his career if the point was simply to show him at his peak ferocity. It was based partly on his autobiography, "The Sixteenth Round" - presumably those aren't the only three of his battles that he deigned to write about? Has anybody here read it? Any other historical incongruities in the film/book?
Any historical accuracies would be a better question. Just a few untruths are -Carter was never exonerated of the crimes instead he was actually twice convicted but they were both overturned because of legal technicalities. -Carter and Artis weren't pulled over just because they were black.The car they were in actually matched the description of the getaway car and was actively being looked for by police. -Carter wasn't just innocently sitting in the car when he was pulled over he was actually cowering,trying to hide in the back seat. -The arresting detective (Lt DeSimone) was racist when in fact he was a dedicated,religious officer who'd had no prior dealings with Carter let alone a vendetta against him. -He wasn't rail roaded by an all white racist jury.Both juries that convicted him contained black jurors. -He didn't get sent to a reformory because he stabbed a "connected" white child molester whilst protecting a friend.He got sent to a reformory for stabbing someone and robbing them of a watch and $50. -He wasn't robbed against Giardello.He was comfortably beaten by most accounts. -He wasn't still a leading contender.He'd lost 5 of his previous 12 fights and was journeying into trial horse territory. -He wasn't the teetotal soldier the film tried to show.Instead he was a mean drunk who was dishonourably discharged from the army after 21 months and 4 court martials. etc,etc....and the film conveniently forgets to mention his extensive criminal history and his alleged drunken assault of Carolyn Kelley a bail bondswoman who'd dedicated a year of her life raising funds for Carters appeal against his original sentence. The film really was a load of **** factually but was an entertaining enough film if you take it with a large pinch of salt but it should never be classed as a biopic imo,more a left wing revisionist piece based on a true event.
Wow, thanks for all the info. All I'm in a position to comment on is the Giardello challenge (available online in its entirety), which to my eyes was definitely not a robbery. The sequence in the film has Joey throwing a few feeble body shots in the 15th and otherwise getting battered, with his face looking like it had been put through a meat grinder. That isn't what the tape of the actual real-life fight shows. Carter won the round with the cleaner harder blows overall, but he didn't "take the title". Were the media and boxing public at the time really as up in arms about it as portrayed?
And yeah, I explained to my gf after watching that it wasn't something like Ali being robbed of his prime - Rubin was already 29, not on a very hot streak, and boasted a pretty bad record even in the context of the times in which he fought and granting generous allowances for how many greats he stepped in with. I also educated her a bit on the great Emile Griffith (showed her the 3rd Paret fight and some other footage) when she commented that it was "shocking someone could have become champion and be blown out so easily". I told her that this was Carter's best win but over a physically overmatched man who had little business above welterweight. I told her that Carter wasn't ever one of the best boxers but that he did have some of the heaviest hands of all time, so there was no shame in Emile getting caught cold and stopped by such a renowned puncher. Whether the film's contents are 0% true or 100%, it doesn't change my opinion of the Hurricane as an exciting but limited fighter (or of The Hurricane as a very entertaining and engrossing if sentimental and slightly over-long movie).
I very much oppose that. Emile Griffith is a borderline Top10 mw. How can you say he had no business above welterweight?
I said little business, not none. He was at his personal best at welterweight despite picking up titles in higher divisions, you'd surely agree?
I really believed this movie when I first saw it Its hard to tell whats true and whats not. Where did the movie get all this from, Carter's biography? I've chatted to a poster on boxrec who's friendly with Carter's trainer who supposedly fell out with him and believed him guilty and a violent character
Nah, I think he would have been at best in the 154 pound division but that division didn´t mean much back then - he fought there actually but by then he was very much past it. It´s just not right saying someone who is one of the 10-15 best mws ever has little business at that weight division. That win of Carter is a big one. Credit where credit is due - albeit I think this as a fluke, a one in a million chance.
That´s not unusual. I know many people who think Gladiator was historical correct when it was a fantasy movie. People just don´t get that movies are there to entertain you not to educate you. Every movie should be taken with a grain of salt. If you want to be educated by a film, watch a documentary.
Fair enough - I don't mean to disparage his accomplishments at 154/160 (or to make it seem like Carter smashed a flyweight). He just seemed to wear 147 most comfortably and had he stayed there for the duration of his career as long as he was able to make it, would have avoided taking some major punishment and maybe improved his w/l ratio. Of course, yes, he would also have missed out on some of those key wins that further augment his all-time standing. When you say a fluke - something akin to Curry-McCallum, where the better boxer (of two very good ones) takes the wrong punch from the bigger man, would you say?
Yep, like an extremer version of McCallum-Curry - I love this fight actually! - Carter is no McCallum and Curry no Griffith so, the gap between them is bigger I think.
Wasnt that 1 of his first fights at the weight, he probably grew into the weight. Top10 is a stretch in any case
One thing the film didn't bull**** about was Carters power,it was for real. Check out his blowout of Florentino Fernandez. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0LQ5EXSNXI[/ame]