The idea that Loma was ducking Rigo is absurd. And some guys just refuse to duck.

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  1. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Remember when people were calling Rigo the most skilled fighter since Pernell Whitaker and Roberto Duran? Some were even saying his technical skill was the best ever. Which is a joke. Once he's hit he has no answer and his footwork isn't that good at all. That said, people were saying Lomachenko was ducking him. For what? Why would he duck? He's been fighting world class guys since his 2nd pro fight.

    There are some guys out here who really haven't subscribed to the "0" mentality and will fight anybody that's put in front of him. They don't have an interest in ducking and they do not fear losing or pain.

    Shout out thread to the non duckers in boxing. Guys like Lomachenko, Porter, Pascal, Pacquiao. Anymore you guys can think of just add.
     
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  2. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Floyds win over JMM was better by a couple of levels. Would you disagree?
     
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    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    Damn that shellacking from Intentionbutt was epic lmao.
     
  4. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Interesting question. Let's see they were both kind of old. Marquez was 35 and Rigo was 37. Both counter punchers and similar style, but Marquez had much more ring wear and tear than the fresh Rigo. So Marquez may have been more past it than Rigo.

    Secondly, Rigo was 2 weight classes above his best weight, fighting the best technical fighter in the world in his prime. Likewise, Marquez was 4 weight classes above his best weight class, fighting the best technical fighter in the world who was in his prime. Though Marquez's opponent missed weight and Rigo's opponent made weight. Further compounding the weight disadvantage.

    As far as who was more dominant against their opponent? Tough question it was a whitewash from both ends.

    Both not great wins or even close to it. That's my take.
     
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    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." banned Full Member

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    :lol:
     
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  6. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    When Pascal took the Kovalev rematch I thought the man must be out of his mind. He must like pain and losing. Because that was the only possible outcome of a rematch, but he took it anyways. And predictably got busted up and damaged.
     
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  7. Ilikeboxing

    Ilikeboxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    For forgot to mention FMJ was not in his weight class.
     
  8. navigator

    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." banned Full Member

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    Had to admire that he was so bullish about taking the rematch and determined to prove that he could beat Kovalev. You knew he had no chance, but it was an impressive show of fighter's mentality. A contrast springs to mind in the form of Pascal's fellow Quebecer, Lucian Bute, who wanted no parts of his Froch rematch agreement.
     
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  9. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Neither was Loma.
     
  10. Ilikeboxing

    Ilikeboxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If Loma can make 126lbs again, why not face Rigo there? As for JMM, he was in the top 5 WW's in the world when he fought FMJ. A controversial loss to Prime Manny, showed he can hang at this weight, even more so the close decision with Bradley showed he was top of his game. If Rigo moved up to 130lb tomorrow, would he be top five in the world? I highly doubt it
     
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  11. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Marquez was only out 2 weight classes from where he was operating at same as Rigo. Unlike Rigo he was coming off a good win against Diaz and a very good win against the underrated Casamayor.

    Following the loss to Floyd he racked up wins against Katsidis , Diaz again , Alverado. Fought Bradely in a close fight.
    Fought Manny in a rubber match a lot of people though he won. Then slept Manny savagely in 6 rounds which is arguably a great win.

    Rigi is unlikely to go onto do anything , and coupled with the quittage , that win will have less relevance for Loma as time goes on.

    Think its fair to say that JMM is a better win.
     
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  12. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Marquez never beat a single good young Welterweight. The Bradley fight was farce and Bradley was never that good anyways.

    As for Loma making 126 he rehydrated to 137 when he fought at 126. Now that he fights at 130 he rehydrates to 137. He can make 126 pounds. Why he didn't fight Rigo at 126 pounds? I don't know ask Bob Arum.
     
  13. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'm not sure. Marquez never beat a single good let alone great young WW. He never beat anybody young and good past 135 pounds. And the last time he looked amazing or anything like a near prime Marquez was back at 130 pounds. Marquez started declining as soon as he left 126 pounds. For those who actually know and followed Marquez's career know that he wasn't a third of the fighter he was against Floyd as he was in the first Pac fight.

    As for Rigo, he was always overrated anyways.
     
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  14. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No I wouldn’t disagree only that those crapping on Lomo for bringing up Rigo two divisions don’t hold Floyd to the same standards when he brought up Marquez two divisions.

    Personally I’ve no problem with either as both Rigo and Marquez were well up for it,I’d even say Marquez having beaten Manny was the better guy anyway.
     
  15. Angler Andrew

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    Yes there was never any question of Bute taking that rematch as his loss to Froch was so violently horrific and rather than rematch Froch he chose to rebuild where in his next three fights it was very apparent Froch had taken everything out of Bute.
    Odd thing is though and I’ll bet PEDs played a part Bute started to look good again and against Degale and Badou Jack Bute looked to be getting it back and fighting younger men he seemed to have more in the tank in the championship rounds,very strange considering how he looked after the Froch loss so I can only presume PEDs played this part here?