The Idea That Pac Has Taken on Better Fighters Than Mayweather: Does It Hold Water?

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  1. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Hatton is 43-0 and is top 10 p4p, he will go to the HOF. Cotto is better than MAB and Morales, and he will one day be in the HOF. If Floyd were to go up in weight and beat DLH and then beat Hatton and Cotto in succession, that would certainly trump Pac's wins over MAB and Morales and draw against JMM.
     
  2. pugilistspecialist

    pugilistspecialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :smoke :good
     
  3. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    Cotto is Better than MAB and Morales p4p? ok
     
  4. pugilistspecialist

    pugilistspecialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    ODLH won the WBOgus 130 title and 160 so that doesnt count. He had no real claim to either world title. so from 135-154 ODLH won legit titles and I believe he was lineal at 147 and 154
     
  5. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    I really do hope he means "NOW" not prime for prime..because you know..

    its false
     
  6. pugilistspecialist

    pugilistspecialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Who is making up rules?????? The 3 major titles are the WBA, WBC, AND IBF.......these arent my opinions they are facts......ODLH won the WBO belt at 130 while Azumah Nelson was the man there....like I said ODLH had no real claim to the world title.....also at 160 he won the WBOgus belt from Felix Sturm while Hopkins was recognized as the champion for years since 2001....again Oscar had no claim to being the true middleweight champion.....now as far as 135-154 DLH won legit world titles and was lineal at 147 and 154 those are facts.
     
  7. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    I'm not giving Floyd credit for anything. Chimba said something about Floyd beating 3 HOF level guys in a row. If he wins in 2 weeks, that would be 2 HOF level guys in a row. Cotto is HOF material, and that's a fight that can be made.

    Also, I never said Cotto was above Morales or MAB on any ATG list. I just said he was a better fighter. Time will tell how high he finishes on any ATG list. However, I've watched all three fight, and Cotto has more talent then the other two.
     
  8. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    No, prime for prime, Cotto has more talent than MAB and Morales. Eventually, you will agree with me on this point.
     
  9. chimba

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    Look Im a bigger Cotto fan than MAB and Erik...Cotto is not more talented than MAB..someday maybe but that will be a longshot
     
  10. Chert

    Chert Ringside Potato Full Member

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    pac also fought hector velasquez within those two years. so, that's 6-4 for pac in fights alone compared to pbf.

    all in all, pac has fought elite competition 3x within that span compared to pbf's one (dlh). they also fought the same no. of b-level opponents 3-3. so, pac takes this easily.

    pbf will inch closer since he's taking on hatton, an elite fighter while pac is only taking on a b-level opponent in d. diaz.
     
  11. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    It's ok, I don't expect you to agree with me right now. When Cotto's career is over with, he'll be rated higher than Morales and MAB.
     
  12. pugilistspecialist

    pugilistspecialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Damn Right I agree.....Mayweather had no real claim to the championship at 140, they stripped the longtime champion Tszyu of almost all his belts. Mayweather fought Gatti for the WBC trinket to set up a fight with the winner of TSZYU-Hatton but after Hatton won his father said he wasnt ready to fight PBF. I know boxing dude, unlike these fanboys on hear I wont give double standards becuase I fancy one fighter over another.....right is right and wrong is wrong.
     
  13. pugilistspecialist

    pugilistspecialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    AT 140, Mayweather was no more than a top contender, but come Dec. 8th they will take care of that unfinished business from 2005 and at 140.
     
  14. pugilistspecialist

    pugilistspecialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    it is at 147 but I said the unfinished business was left at 140 in 2005
     
  15. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Actually both Castillo and Corrales could be perceived as being greater than JMM who before he himself beat a faded MAB has no big win and his claim to fame is a draw with Pacquiao. I could easily argue that the versions of Corrales and Castillo that PBF beat are better fighters than Morales when he fought Pacquiao. MAB in the first fight with Pacquiao is the best fighter in this scenario overall, but for me, Corrales and Castillo were better than JMM and the version or Morales Pacquiao beat (and lost to). I don't just take their ATG status into account....WHEN they fought matters. And JMM is not an ATG.