The interesting 2-1 to 3-1 underdog scenario in boxing.

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  1. Exactabox

    Exactabox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Back in 2001 I remember telling everyone I knew that Bernard Hopkins was going to beat Felix Trinidad. At that time Felix was P4P #1 and almost every expert picked Tito except I think one journalist possibly from the Boston Globe. It was amazing to me how there could be such a huge overlay.
    (This fight put Hopkins on to another level)

    Next came Oscar vs Manny. Same situation. The general public was not too familiar with Manny and with the weight it seemed like a lock for Oscar.
    Many of you I am sure as I did knew that Manny would win easy.
    (This began the engine for the Manny love affair the world embraced from then on)

    Now Shane Mosley is a 2.8 to 1 underdog and same as the previous two
    The common person probably thinks Floyd is a great bet. This is another monster overlay where you have a fighter that has been inflated by the media who has an olympic gold medal ( which is grossly overhyped due to the lesser number of participants in amateur boxing since 1985.) and has had his career guided smartly to avoid the top level threats lurking.
    Shane Mosley is a tremendous fighter. He has beat brawlers, world champs and looked fantastic against Margarito (plasterless). I cannot see any one that Floyd has faced who you can draw a parallel to for Mosley. If Castillo and Oscar got to him, Mosley's left hook will surely find a home. How a man can be almost a 3-1 favorite when he has not faced a fighter of his weight in 4 years is absurd.

    True odds should be Floyd -170 Shane +130

    This fight will be yet another scenario where a fighter who deserves a little more recognition and one who gets to much will be corrected. In my heart with all the talking and ducking and the time he walked away right when the best popped up It will be a victory for boxing if Shane pulls it off. Hopkins, Shane and Manny - all great stories all were doubted and picked against by the boxing experts all won mega fights as underdogs to prove the public wrong and balance the scales for boxing.
     
  2. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    so do you think Mosley will win or not? It's not clear because after all these parallels to big upsets, you say Floyd should still be the favorite.
     
  3. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The fact that you think Floyd won a Gold Medal at the Olympics tells me you've only taken a cursory glance at his career. That said, Floyd SHOULD be the favourite in this fight. He's the better fighter and stylistically has the tools to get the win. No one is questioning the fact that Shane is a live underdog... but he most certainly is the underdog.
     
  4. hagman1989

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    mayeather won bronze not gold

    secondly what was the point of this article you do realise the bookies dont set the odds from what they think of a person

    they ajust the odds acording to were the money goes therefore if money goes on a floyd win his odds come in - vica versa
     
  5. Pound4poundx

    Pound4poundx Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Trinidad was never #1 p4p. The highest that he ever got according to Ring magazine was #2 behind Shane Mosely.
     
  6. PH|LLA

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    lol "bronze not gold" and "#2 not #1" I think you guys are missing the point of his post. Not that I agree with what he says but those details are just that, details.

    What I'm trying to figure out is does he actually believe Mosley is gonna upset Mayweather or not? cause he says Mayweather should still be teh favorite.
     
  7. hagman1989

    hagman1989 the boxing site , try it Full Member

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    i dont get it , yes they are details but there wrong
     
  8. zico2010

    zico2010 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What about the fact that four of Mosley's five losses have come to slick counterpunchers? Neither Winky or Forrest are close to how good Mayweather is. Im a Mosly fan, would love to see him beat MAyweather, but i just cant see anything other than a straightforward win for Floyd.
     
  9. Exactabox

    Exactabox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes I believe Mosley is going to upset. I am saying the line should be
    Shane +170 max. Just great value getting +250 or above.
    The point of the post is that this the third symbolic underdog that falls within the range of +200 - +300 that will win and convincingly.
    Yes I said it Mosley will win by TKO. 1) Hopkins 12th rd KO 2)Manny TKO over Oscar 3) Shane TKO
    Not only did the dogs win they smoked the opposition.
     
  10. hagman1989

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    but you understand that the bookie dosent go by opinion they go by were the money is

    also mayweather ud is the value a i think thats the most likely outcome and the price copared to the chances of it happening is great value
     
  11. Exactabox

    Exactabox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Of course the book makes the line to get even amount on both sides.
    I love the fact that everybody picks Floyd. it is a classic trap bet on Floyd.
    Only reason I wouldn't bet the house is it has been a while since Shane anihiliated Margarito.
     
  12. Exactabox

    Exactabox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well you can say that Forrest just had so much length on him and Winky is a slick southpaw. Don't think it was the counterpunch style as it was the uniqueness of each of the fighters you mentioned. Vernon was just on fire during that time. Good points you make though. Winky also has one of the best chins in boxing and its been well tested. Im banking on Floyd entering a new planet once Shane gets him in trouble. Shane has shortened his hook over time and he throws it at different angles. He shows signs of brillance and can beat just about anyone on any given day. Oscar in 2007 and Castillo really don't touch how Shane has looked recently. I thought he should have gotten a draw with Cotto as well at MSG.
     
  13. Marnoff

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    No, you're missing the point. A guy who doesn't know up from down about Floyd's career is trying to tell me what the "true odds" should be. Anyone who thinks Floyd has been overhyped after such a stellar career doesn't know what the **** they're talking about. Then, he connects some dots between what has happened in some fights in the 2 to 1 and 3 to 1 range and tries to project something about this fight? He should be cracking a real conspiracy, like whether the government truly has captured alien spacecraft in the desert.
     
  14. Exactabox

    Exactabox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The real conspiracy will be cracked on May 1st.
    Most likely by a left hook thrown by Shane Mosley.
     
  15. Ramón

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    Styles make fights.

    Mosley cannot beat a top, technical counterpuncher who has an excellent jab.

    Guess what? Mayweather is a top, technical counterpuncher with an excellent jab.

    Mayweather to win.