The Its "Joshua's Fault" Thread

The games up gumbo

Your boy has been found out. Jumping from straw to straw isn't going to strengthen any weak arguments you have left.

This is why he had to order his legion of fanboys who are beginning to turn against him to shut their mouths and not boo him for fighting another chubster who I predicted he would be fighting several months ago. The intention was never to fight Wilder. Barry Hearn confirmed, what the protection plan entailed.

Let me refresh your donkey money

We Should Wait Two Years To Make Joshua-Wilder

” Barry Hearn told IFL TV. “I, personally, my advice was let’s leave it [for] two years. Because as the Mayweather-Pacquiao fight got built – you know, in commercial terms AJ and Deontay Wilder today is a $70 million fight, maybe $80 [million]. In two years’ time, it might be $250, $300 million.”

''The risk in waiting two years obviously is that either Wilder or Joshua could lose to another opponent and their highly anticipated fight would be completely devalued.''

“That’s where your judgment comes in,” Barry Hearn explained, “where you say, ‘Do I see anyone out there to beat either of them?’ No. Could it happen? Yes. ‘OK, that was a bad call.’ But, you know, life’s about making calls. It’s not about sitting still, not taking chances. So I think Shelly Finkel wanted to cash in on Deontay Wilder straight away. That’s my honest feeling. He wanted the fight straight away. That’s crazy. This is crazy, and Shelly knows better than that. Unless he didn’t fancy winning the fight and thought, ‘We better get some money out of it.’ That’s a possibility. We don’t have that concern with AJ.”

“I’m happy to be there if necessary, and I’m sure post-Fury-Wilder, if it happens, it will be a good time to talk again. But when you plan a business that’s got a 10-year life span, you don’t rush it. I said to AJ, and he asked me my honest opinion, and I said, ‘If you told me you were gonna retire in six months’ time, I’d tell you to fight Deontay Wilder now. If you tell me you’re in for the long run, I’d say that fight can only get bigger. And also, you don’t take chances, you don’t go to the other bloke’s backyard when you don’t need to. The money is insignificantly different

“The UK market is already mature and we do what we do. And there’s not a massive upside because AJ’s so big. You can’t do more than sell out Wembley. You can’t do more than one-and-a-quarter, one-and-a-half million pay-per-view buys. So where’s your upside? The upside is internationally, as more people know Anthony, we’re doing an outstanding job on his international television and the U.S. pay-per-view. The DAZN operation is also gonna be a big plus because the marketing they can bring behind AJ in America will be colossal. So I’m very happy. Worst-case scenario, if AJ’s unbeaten for 10 years and doesn’t fight Deontay Wilder, I’ll take that.''

 

its AJ fault my car broke down

 

Merry Chritsmas Stephanie. All the best.

However. Barry Hearn in that interview said if it was up to him then went on to say all those things you posted up. But where is the bit from that exact same interview where he says its not up to him and that both AJ and Hearn are going for Wilder next? Dont you think that is a very important bit of information you have left out of your post there?

 

Ive gotta say i think it has been a mistake by Hearn and Joshua to allow the likes of Finkel, DiBella and especially Wilder to make so much noise screaming and shouting about this big fight between them without making a load of noise themselves. Hearn and Joshua have played it cool and calm and expected the facts to do the talking for them as they are not about screaming and shouting but the screaming and shouting seems to be what is getting peoples attention more and people are falling for the old who ever shouts the loudest clearly wants it more trick.

And i think thats why Joshua is coming off a bit pissed and frustrated right now. As far as hes concerned its his side that have been seriously and professionally trying to make this fight and the other side have done nothing but be tricky and refuse everything. But then its that side who then starts the screaming and shouting. Take that away and its quite obvious Finkel has gone on the run again with Wilder just like last year but the noise is doing the trick over the facts or truths and Hearn and Joshua aint making enough of it.

 

Yeah but what if Whyte/Joshua 2 was to happen next April following that 'ring call out'. It maybe a mandatory but as we know, it does not mean that Joshua would have to fight him next. Unless it's been set up as we speak.

You did correct me on some detail but it was beside the point that I was trying to make. It was just an example but you had to nit-pick at it. So keeping up with your being pedantic - your use of the word 'peruse' isn't an accurate description of my reaction to how you corrected me earlier. Remember, I accepted I was wrong you were right but I hoped you would have got the point.

I think you continue to miss my point. I agree with your sentence above but as you know, us Joshua fans and Deontay Wilder fans are in a 'deadlock' as to who is ducking who. A strong demonstration to show you ain't ducking and equally a strong effort to make the fight happen, would be a ring call out. If Joshua goes to watch Wilder fight in America and calls out Wilder, in front of his people, in his hometown, what would the Wilder fanboys say then? how would they describe Joshuas move, a duck? The first one out of Wilder and Joshua to do the ring call out, will pretty much end the debate of who is ducking who because it's just hard to argue that someone is ducking when they were the ones that flew from the other end of the earth to call out Wilder in person.

Tyson Fury did this same thing because he really really wanted to fight Wilder and we all knew that. Fury went to America to call him out and whilst Fury dropped out of boxing for a bit, he came back to boxing with the same intentions of fighting Wilder. Ring call outs aren't necessary but you can learn a lot from it (for example, Joshua asked the crowd if they would like to see him and Whyte get it on) as well as make a stance that you aren't the one ducking or stalling the fight.

Sticking with the topic of this thread - it can't be Joshuas fault if he is visibly making efforts to try and fight Wilder. All these contracts, emails that both camps have sent each other...has anyone outside the camps actually seen them? have you honestly seen them? A ring call out is clear for all to see.

 

What exactly is it that Wilder has done to bend over backwards to get this fight? I keep hearing people say this but they never actually say what hes done. Unless you mean made a load of noise through social media, but i could do that. Fights dont get made over social media, nothing he did over social media ever contributed to making a fight with anybody.

 

He isnt scared to fight the best, Only on Saturday night he called out the best, well if Wilder doesnt want a fight 1st that is. Unless you were talking about Wilder? In which case LOL.

 

Lol that was the whole problem though wasnt it. When you make a 50 million offer there is going to be plenty of terms and conditions but instead they said what you just said, ENOUGH SAID. So no, 50 million enough said is not enough. Especially when 15 million was ok for Wilder with a complete contract minus 2 details and you have them both screaming HOW DO YOU DARE EXPECT US TO SIGN THAT WITH NO DATE OR VENUE. But then expect Joshua to sign up even though you refuse to give him ANY details what so ever.

It was a joke fake offer, no talking, no discussions, no contract to read through and you got 24 hours. What the **** type of stupid offer is that?

 

They turned down that offer before any details of anything were revealed because Finkel and Wilder refused to give them any details of anything, refused to have a meeting, wouldnt return emails and phone calls and refused to send them a contract. And gave them 24 hours to accept something blind. Like that was ever going to happen. They made an offer that was unacceptable, unsignable but have tried using it as proof Joshua was ducking ever since. Anybody believing that offer was legit is an idiot. And i dont want to hear about some video where Hearn says its serious, ive seen that video and you seem to ignore half of what he says on it. There are plenty of videos of Hearn saying that offer was bull ****. It was bull ****.

 

The truth is - neither you nor me, know who's telling the truth between the two camps. I do not make any unsupported claims, you, however, do...

Can you provide snapshots of the emails sent between both camps or even a video of one of the camps showing the emails they've sent and what they've received? That would help me to see things your way, cos I just can't believe what you say. I need proof mate.

 

Yea you did miss his huge HGH gut and all signs that he’s juicing.

 

Supported by the proof you have provided? you haven't supported your claims the proof of that is in this thread lol. Typing out your own sentences isn't proof.

So no proof lol. I didnt bother to read all of that as I kindly asked for proof and you have no proof to support that. No emails, no nothing but that was a big ask and I was truly hoping that you could provide but as fans, theres only so much we are given.
Finkel and Hearn both have not showed us anything. I'm not against Joshua, you don't seem to get that. Like you can't see that I am more of a Joshua fan just like I am a fan of the truth.