The James Toney who fought Holyfield vs. Wlad (post Sanders)

Toney aint KOing Wlad that is the dumbest **** I have ever read on here. Tony doesnt have the power to do it. Yeah Wlad was KOed by Sanders, Brewster and dropped by Peters rabbit punches but those guys are big heavyweight hitters and Toney doesnt hit anywhere near that level.


And while Toney has good defense, Wlad has the speed and reach to find him and eventually stop him. Toney can take a lot of punishment but if he doesnt go down on his own the ref will eventually stop it.

 

Three things;

Ross Purrity
Accumulation
Precision

Take those things and Wlad's awful punch resistance into account and you see how my answer is not so dumb. Again, you guys spend your time posting on the General whilst I'm off talking real boxing.

I could give you guys a hundred boxing related questions and how many valid points could you come up? **** all probably.

I'm a Wlad hater, pure and simple and I admit it. I appreciate his skill but when I see things like 'Wlad could beat Ali etc etc' I think '**** it, I'll wind the nuthuggers up':good

 

The Ross Purity fight was in ****ing 1998. We are matching them post 2003 at their best arent we?

You list Wlads "awful punch resistance" but when was he ever hurt by someone who wasnt a big hitter? He got back up each time so if by some miracle Toney dropped him he isnt going to be out of the fight with one shot.

Earlier you said if Toney cant get inside on Wlad and hurt him he will probably back up on the ropes and wait to counter punch. THats exactly what would happen except Wlad will find him and hurt him. Wlad isnt slow at all and he will land on Toney. Thats a terrible strategy to try and rope a dope and let Wlad tee off on you, he is too patient and conservative with his punches, he doesnt waste them like Foreman did against Ali.

Wlad has beaten plenty of guys who are on Toney's level at heavyweight and Toney has never fought a guy who is on Wlad's level.

 

You actually make some good points. But Wlad's handspeed compared to THAT Toney's head/body movement AND reflexes....no comparison. Toney would get under that jab and batter him.

I';m arguing just for the sake of it mate, I only come on here to troll around sometimes. And to diss the other trolls but you seem like a nice enough guy so you get one of these:good and a:happytake it easy

 

Three things:

Montel Griffin
Drake Thadzi
Sam Peter

Wlad was ****ing 21 years old when he overpaced against Purrity after using him as a punching bag for ten rounds. Purrity won that fight for one reason, an unreal ability to take punishment. Not really a gameplan to follow agains Wlad. The better version of Wlad beats Purrity every time.

Peoplke like you always make the same mistake: You talk about the best version of Toney (against Holyfield, that was as good as we have seen Toney) and then come up with the most awful performance of Wlad's career to prove how Toney would beat him. What about Toney's losses to fighters who would never beat Wlad? What about their common opponent Sam Peter who outboxed Toney in the rematch?

The best version of Toney would be in a ring war with Chagaev, Byrd, Brock and others who were outclassed by Wlad.

 

as previously admitted, i'm just winding people up. You probably haven't heard of half of the fighters I'm an expert on, so do me a favour; do one:good

 

You like unproven assumptions, don't you? What do you know about my expertise?

So why to you pit the best version of one fighter against the worst of another?

 

again, no post I ever put on the general has my heart and soul in it. I was just winding people up to annoy the Wlad nuthuggers. End of story.

Come over to the Classic let's see how much knowledge you have then:good

 

Toney wouldn't connect a single meaningful shot with Wlad's chin. Not a single one.

So yea the Toney version we saw against Holyfield would survive for a couple of rounds, possibly make it to the scorecards, but never look any better than Iggy did: hiding, in a low crouching position in order to avoid Wlad's right, hoping to load up on a huge counter should Wlad lose his discipline and open up when coming in close. Of course, that never happens.

So it's a UD12 for Wlad.

 

Truth is, I do not think Toney ducked Wlad and vice versa.Both made business decisions. Toney elected to fight Ruiz and Wad to face Chagaev, it is called business decisions. I just made a comment because some idiots here are claiming that Toney ducked Wlad because Toney has taken on all corners in the last 20 years or so.

 

Toney's skills have always been masterclass. He's got at least a shot against anybody if he's in, well I was going to say good shape but honestly I can't remember the last time I saw him looking impressive, so if he's in half of good shape, he's got a chance. Obviously the overwhelming underdog though.

 

Guys, remember Wladimir beat Chris Byrd twice, before and after Sanders. He beat him with relative ease. And I don't know about you guys, but to my Byrd is a harder target to hit than Toney. Wladimir would probably ko Toney with a monster one-two that Toney would never see coming. This really isn't one to argue much about.

 

Wlad by late tko , unless toney gets lucky+wlad comes in not in his form

 

Toney at his best, is slicker than Byrd and a harder puncher. Toney has a different style than the southpaw Byrd and is a much more effective counterpuncher.

 

nah, the argument that Wlad would stop Toney just because he stopped Chris Byrd is not valid. Toney, like Byrd, is a small, defensive fighter without too much power, but the similarities stop there. Toney has a fundamentally different style than Byrd, and he's much smarter in the ring.
We're talking about the 2003 version of Toney here, and that version of Toney saw everything that was thrown at him. Toney stays relaxed in the ring and reads a fight like few others, and when in shape he was able to elude punches because of that. Listen, Wlad could still very well beat that version of Toney (have a look at my post on page 1), but if that happened it'd probably be by decision. A stoppage is not impossible, but it's unlikely, and I could never see a straight KO, rather a corner retirement or a TKO after a sustained beating.