The Jimmy Young Retrospective Thread

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  1. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Instead of one of those artistically put together tribute threads that are so well done by Raging B(_)LL, tommygun71 and GreatA, I'm including all the Young bouts that I can find available on You Tube, which is criminally short on Young's fights. Anyway, this amounts to a retrospective review of the major fights of
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    . Included here are the Ali, Foreman, Norton bouts, and after the magic left him,...the Dokes fight. I would be remiss without mentioning that this thread is dedicated to that irrepressible, indefatigable, ubiquitous cosmic force we all know as
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  2. lufcrazy

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    Just to add fuel to the fire I think young beats foreman, vitali and liston prime for prime.
     
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  3. red cobra

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  8. hookfromhell

    hookfromhell Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wooord! And I got a Chirstmas gift of a porcelain Ali clock with
    "Float like a butterfly sting like a bee" written on it. From what
    I read on ESB Young didnt have an offical amateur career rather had
    All that gym experience, thus giving him that versatility. Any info on
    His trainers ,idea of style and how he came up would be cool, not much info.
     
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  9. red cobra

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  10. red cobra

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    What was so impressive to me here, even if it's in a negative sense, is how big bad knock 'em dead Gerry Cooney...in his prime...wasn't able to really phase Jimmy, even though he had him cut real bad and all...Young had quite a chin on him. Remember, Cooney was embalming Norton and Lyle, but Jimmy was right there in front of him and was only stopped on a cut. I think it would have been interesting as to how he would have done without the cut. I know how he would have done with Cooney a few years earlier.
     
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  11. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    You won't find me disagreeing here....all three would be flummoxed by prime Young.
     
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  12. Nightcrawler

    Nightcrawler Boxing Addict Full Member

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    ...............boxed ears? are you here? ****.

    look, the more i watch young the less i like watching young. BUT i respect his skills. the main knock ALWAYS is that in the opinion of many this
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    attitude seems to define his career

    why win when you can ALMOST win. why look good when you can make the other guy look bad.
     
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  13. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    The myopic, politically motivated corrupt judges made sure that deserved wins were instead "almost wins".
     
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  14. Nightcrawler

    Nightcrawler Boxing Addict Full Member

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    that's fair in a way.

    let's take the norton, lyle and ali fights. is there anything young could have done to seal the deal? do you think he did enough or is there a margin of error where you could score for the other guy?
     
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  15. red cobra

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    I think he did enough against Lyle..both lyle fights were clear, onesided Young wins. the Ali and Norton fights were as close as can be, and obviously I think that Young deserved them both. He just fought his fight, that's all..and a win is a win, even if it's by 1 point. It just wasn't kosher for a guy with a negative defensive style to win the crown in the Ali and Norton bouts. Nuh-uh,...can't have a guy like that rule the division...bad for ticket sales...no charismatic ticket seller like Ali...it would be box office poison for Young to be the heavyweight champion..it was the same with Norton. The powers that be deemed Norton more sellable than Young. . That BS rule that you have to destroy the champion to win the crown is a total travesty. A win by a point is still a win, and a win is a win is a win..to paraphrase Gertrude Stein. To illustrate another example, Young deserved the crown in both the Ali and Norton fights as much as Willie Pastrano deserved the win and the title vs Harold Johnson. Truly objective scoring is what is needed.
     
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