the JMM vs Pac rematch money "MYTH"...

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You are annoyed by Pac fans, especially Pilipinos on ESB because they are the most biased, blinded, ignorant nuthuggers of all?

Obviously you are their counter part and you are worst. :yep

It should be the otherway around fool . . . JMM knows that Pac is the biggest payday he can have in his whole boxing career.

Facts . . . Pac earned more than JMM in fighting bums like Solis and Velasquez than what JMM earned in fighting a HOFamer in MAB and in all his previous title defenses. What are you thinking fool?

The biggest money fight for Pac is Juan Diaz. :hi:

 

. . . because Marquez is NOT being paid the amount he wants? :think

Tell your boii to bring his belt all the way down 6 feet under the ground. It's all his. :yep :good

 

You know what so funny about all these things, and why people view this as a way of "outpricing"?

Consider all his other notable fight purse with the following boxers:
2004. First Pac fight - 650k
2005. Salido - obviously, not near 500k
2005. John - 30k (the legendary fight in JMM's career)
2007. MAB - 750K (MAB got 1.5K i think)
2007. Rocky - 500k

Now, compare these purses to the offer of 750k back in 2004.
hhmm.. it looks the same to the one he got from the MAB fight, and that 750k was back in 2004. and to think, Pac's purse was equal to his purse.

I could have see it as a matter of his principle or he just he thinks highly of himself if his actual purses are better than the one offered for the rematch. But, as we see right now, it seems it is not the case..:hey

 

we filipinos on ESB admit that we are nuthuggers but we don't play "mr. know it all" unlike you. and no matter how you twist the story any person who is not a "mexican nuthugger, you-dont-know-****-on-boxing-i-do, im-the-god-of boxing" idiot, knows that Marquez rejected the $750,000.00 rematch purse coz he thought its not big enough but instead fought for $30,000.00 Indosesia and LOST.

 

The exact quote after the fight:

JMM : I will not rematch him because I knew I won.

Pac : I would like to fight him again.

Now draw your conclusion.

 

spot-on.

Was he really interested for a rematch at that time? Nope.

 

Someone is getting his ass owned here... btw it's not JMM. :yep

 

JMM biggest payday? :rofl :rofl the biggest paydays are in the Lightweight division. to make it correct, the fight with Pac is JMM's biggest payday. a fight with any champion in the lightweight division is Pac's biggest payday.

 

The US media tells a different story, but its no secret with Latino newspapers that Nacho Beristein was mad as hell and had smoke coming out of his ears when Arum pulled the rug from under them and gave the fight to Morales who had just lost to MAB.

People like to ignore the facts that Bob Arum offered JMM just 100K more than what he made for fighting Pac in a fight that was epic.

When Arum made the offer, Beristein rejected it wanting to negotiate to reach and agreement.
Erik Morales loss to MAB threw a wrench to any leverage that Beristein may have had, because when Morales loss to MAB, Arum was in no hurry to meet Beristein face to face and come to any agreement.

Instead of coming to an agreement with Beristein, Arum being the business man that he is, was figuring that he could make Pac a better offer than the Marquez fight, and it would be a chance to get his cash cow at the time Erik Morales off the ground after losing to MAB.

Everybody keeps critiqing Beristein for not taking 750k, but the reality is that even the 750K was no longer on the table once Arum started discussing Morales with Murad Muhamad, at the time Pac's promoter.

People chose to ignore the facts......and they are that once Morales lost to MAB, Arum never had any intention of making the JMM-Pac rematch, instead he used the offer he made Pac for a fight with JMM, as bait for Pac to accept the Morales fight on Arums terms.....once Arum offered Pac a little more to fight Morales, Pac took the offer.

.....its why Beristein was so mad afterward....he knew that Arum never intended to have a JMM-Pac rematch come to a reality. Arum just played it through the media......
Arum used JMM as leverage to make Pac come to terms for a Morales fight, and of course Nacho Beristein did'nt like it one bit!

It was an unfortunate situation for JMM and Nacho Beristein, but those are the drawbacks when your promoter has a bigger cow to promote thats in your same weight division.
The bigger cow will get preferential treatment because it means more money to Arum.

Promoters like Arum dont work for their fighters or for the good of boxing, they work for themselves!
Its just the reality of the world we live in.

I can accept that Arum made the Morales fight because it would line his pockets with more money.
The sad part is the many poor souls in this forum that place the blame on JMM and his team and point to them not wanting the fight....when the reality is that if you look at the big picture, business circumstances that favored Bob Arum stabbed JMM and Nacho Beristein in the back.


Its a pity that more people cant put the puzzle together and look at the whole picture!

 

Nonsense, JMM at the time was upset that the decision did'nt go his way after he took Pac to school from round 3 to the finish.

JMM saying a rematch was'nt necessary was his way of telling everyone, how one sided the schooling really was.

Whether the Pac hardcores admit it or not, JMM put a grade A schooling at the expense of Manny Pacquiao, and of course Manny would say he wants a chance to redeem himself after getting schooled.

JMM at the time was upset that he did'nt get a deserved decision....

Pac was just happy that a draw meant he had a chance to redeem himself.

 

And he went to Indonesia to spite Arum and end his contract with Arum!!!!! Assuming that conspiracy theory is true, why for 30 Thousand in a parking lot in Indonesia? Not even 100,000 dollars? I am sure that even a tune-up fight (not even a championship fight) would net him more than that. And everybody knows that in fighting in Indonesia, you really have to KO your opponent to win. IT REALLY DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. Even if what you are saying is true. It's either Beristein is so dumb.

The option that he could have taken is take a fight in the US as an undercard and probably it would net him more and end his contract with Arum in the process. Yet, even after the John fight, he was still fighting for peanuts. The Salido, Jaca, etc fights were not exactly near the 750K ballpark.

 

Nobody is saying it was a conspiracy......its just the facts of what business is to these boxing promoters.

Alot of people think that its the fighters who are responsible for fights being or not being made.....but the reality is that the promotional teams make the fights they want to make, not the other way around.

 

Someone could have mentioned the EM-JMM angle that was also being dangled at that time...:hey JMM was offered something like 1M to fight Morales too... and ended up fighting for 32k in Borneo. That, my friends, is managerial genius at work.

 

Man of morals? Cos declining the most anticipated rematch, declining the chance to settle a score, declining your biggest payday ever, declining a purse 20* bigger than what you will get is really about morals. It has nothing to do with morals, its called bad management and bad decisions. You think Pac would have declined a 750k purse to fight MAB at 126 and instead fight some thai guy for 30k and call it morals?

 

It was never made clear to me in anything that I read what happened with a JMM-Morales fight offer.....except of what Bob Arum said himself....if you want to believe Arum, I have some prime cactus desert realestate, I can get a hold of to sell you.....

......but if the JMM-Pac rematch was never properly negotiated, I have no reason to believe that Arum even seriously mentioned the fight to team JMM except maybe in passing or nonchalantly!

Morales had just lost to Barrera, since JMM in those days mentioned wanting to fight MAB frequently, my guess is that he wanted the Pac rematch and after beating Pac, go after the fighter who had just beat Morales, and thats MAB!