the jones jr debate.

Why do you give glass hearted PED using disgrace Vitali Klitschko a pass but not Roy?

You expect Roy to fight people that dwarf him in the ring, but your hero quits on his stool to a fighter he makes look like a midget.:deal

 

Hopkins-Jones 2 didn't avenge a damn thing.. And I don't believe you watched Toney-Jones, because it was not boring.

 

I've just ordered a book online, that was published by Evander's former attorney Jim Thomas. I came across it last week and read some excerpts online. I only read two chapters, but it was a fascinating read. Jim Thomas worked with Evander for 13 years, and it was he who dealt with all of the promoters, the sanctioning bodies and the TV execs etc, to close the deals on Evander's behalf.

The book is titled - The Holyfield Way (What I learned about courage, perseverance, and the bizarre world of boxing.) There's loads of information in it, from all the behind the scenes things that happen, that you're average fan probably isn't aware of. When I've read it, I'll come back and give you more details. It was written 9 years ago, and Holyfield gave his blessing for it to be published.

Now the reason that I'm telling you this, is because Roy was mentioned in one of the chapters that I read. Now to cut a long story short, Roy and Evander were due to meet in 2003 after Roy had beaten Ruiz. But Don King, and Roy's promoter Murad Muhammad, got too greedy and blew the fight. They wanted to pay Roy and Evander a good amount (the specific details are in the book) and also keep a huge amount of money for themselves from the upside of the PPV revenue. In the end, Evander was that angry, he actually refused the offer out of principle. He had two contracts on the table, one for Roy, and one for Toney. So he went with Toney, even though the guaranteed purse was for a lower amount. So King and Murad actually scuppered the deal. Otherwise, Roy would definitely have fought him instead of Tarver.

People seem to forget that boxing's a business. There's a hell of a lot that goes on behind the scenes. Rival promoters and networks etc trying to come together to make a deal that everyone is happy with. People always assume that fights don't get made because fighter A ducked fighter B. But it's never as straightforward as that. Jim Thomas goes into detail of how he and King haggled over the PPV share, and what percentage they would have wanted, if it had've surpassed a certain number of buys etc.

So I just thought I'd share that with you. But Roy would definitely have fought him.

 

1. Evander in 97 and 99 had no interest in fighting Roy.

2. Roy got paid around $15m for Ruiz, so he wanted a lot more than that to fight Sanders. Any 35 year old LHW would want huge money to fight a HW.

3. He didn't demand $100m to fight Tyson.

 

Yes. They met in 2003, and spoke at length about a fight for the following year. But in 2004, both guys got knocked out.

 

You said it earlier, and you claimed he was roided against Ruiz.

But we'll move on.

 

Shut up you fool.

Same old, same old.

He didn't refuse all of the big fights.

I'll tell you what, WHY DON'T YOU SHOW US SOME EVIDENCE?

 

just admit he was a cheating bum and move on

 

So Roy wanted to fight Holyfield, and Holyfield didn't because he had bigger fresh to fry.

Fine.

So how is that Roy's fault?

You can't have it both ways.


Holyfield wasn't interested in the 90's.

Liles turned down 7 figures.

Eubank wasn't interested.

Hopkins priced himself out in 2002.

Dariusz M refused to leave Germany.


Yet according to you, Roy avoided big fights, and only wanted to fight bums.


You are a complete joke!

 

Unless you want to talk about other aspects of his career, we've got nothing to say to each other. We just end up going around in circles.

So change the subject, or we're done.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o0c8fXHp-4

 

Rico,

If HBO was so disgusted with Roy, why the hell are they STILL paying him?

 

Roy would have made many big fights on his terms... Sure things had to be his way when he was on top, but he didn't outright refuse anything.

I honestly believe the DM fight would have been made had DM not been a stay at home fighter.. Look at DM's resume after talks with Roy broke down, its pretty sad, and shows his intentions IMO.

Hopkins-Jones 2 would have been huge if Hopkins would have taken 60-40 to get his ass kicked.

Eubank wasn't interested and said it was suicide..

We have seen the links where Roy didn't want to deal with King AT THE TIME for the Benn fight... Just because King promoted him later doesn't mean Roy was willing at the time. (people have a hard time grasping this for some reason, and use because Roy later worked with King meant he was scared of Benn) I don't buy it.

Liles turned down huge money asking for more...

Collins and Nunn are probably the only two I would say Roy dismissed for whatever reason.

Roy wasn't a real HW, and I don't call not wanting to fight certain HWs ducking. I can understand why he wanted ridiculous money, one punch from one of those big guys could change his life.

Roy weighed risk vs. reward for sure, and some fights were missed due to business which is boxing... But you can't overlook that his resume is still quite impressive.

 

I doubt there's been a more spectacular fighter to watch than prime Roy Jones Jnr. The early flamboyant version of Sugar Ray was highly entertaining too.

 

Did you seriously just say that Roy beating Ruiz is more impressive than Spinks beating Holmes? I already told you that Lewis and the Klits would have brutally knocked Roy out.