the jones jr debate.

I agree entirely.

 

You don't know that, and again, it doesn't sense with who else he fought.

I've already given examples.

 

Liles and Tarver? Give me a break. Nunn's speed was on the level of Jones himself and his smoothness above the level of Whitaker.

 

This wasn't Richard Hall!

 

Holyfield would have shattered Roys glass jaw and ended his career.... Roy avoided hard hitting and skilled heavyweights, and chose Ruiz a complete fraud with no skills who was only successful due to his connections to Don King which allowed him to get cheat(excessive clinching, hitting and holding, faking low blows) Gift title shots, gift decisions etc. Ruiz without Don King was a glorified clubfighter, he lost to two former middleweights in Jones and Toney..... Jones fanboys claim that as one of the ATG wins, LOL!

Why did Roy duck the fight with shot Buster Douglas? Holyfield? Wlad, Lewis, Vitali? ETC. He took an easy fight! Ruiz was a bum, end of discussion.

 

NOT LATE IN 97!

We're not talking about a peak Michael Nunn.

We're talking about a past his best, LHW Nunn who went on to lose to Roch.

Do you think it's logical that a guy who feared Nunn, would offer to fight Liles who was huge, and who'd beaten Nunn himself?

With regards to Tarver, I didn't say that he was better than Nunn. He clearly wasn't.

What I said, was that in my opinion, Tarver in 2003, was a bigger challenge. Because Roy was nearly 35, he'd had 50 fights, and he had to burn muscle in a short space of time.

But in 1997, he was 28.

I think that trying to beat Calzaghe at nearly 40 was also a bigger challenge.

Before you reply, no, I'm not saying that Calzaghe was better than Nunn.

But look at things logically from Roy's perspective.

 

It doesn't take a lot of intelligence to work out that Jones had everything to lose in the 90s in his 20s and nothing to lose against Calzaghe when 14 years past his prime...

If Nunn was motivated, and a Jones fight would've motivated him more than any of his previous fights - an ultimate career-defining moment if he pulled it off - then who's to say he couldn't have rolled back the years? That's what Jones feared.

 

He offered to fight Liles in the 90's.

Why we would he have done that if he was scared of Nunn?

Why did he sign to fight Toney in 94?

It's illogical.

The truth is, around that time, Roy could fight lesser opposition for more money. He swerved Nunn for $1.8m, to fight Hill for $3m.

Nobody's arguing about Roy not wanting to fight him.

But that doesn't mean he feared losing to him.

At 28, Roy didn't have to fear anybody.

What about Steve Collins?

Did Roy fear Collins out of a fear of losing to him?

 

You're comparing Liles, Toney and Collins to Michael Nunn? They didn't stand a chance against Jones. Nunn would've probably beaten him if motivated.

 

If Jones didn't fear Eubank and Nunn in 96-97-98, he would've fought them. They were far more dangerous and risky than over-the-hill technicians McCallum and Hill or 5ft6 Griffin.

 

Two guys (along with McClellan, too) with similar speed and talent to Jones but better foot movement and better founded, better fundamentally.

 

Forget Collins, Benn, Liles, Michalcewski and Holyfield. They wouldn't have lived with Jones.

Nunn, Eubank, McClellan, Parks, McCallum seven years younger and Reggie Johnson seven years younger were far better talents. Supreme talent.

 

So Jones was an in the middle kind of talent?

 

Huh?

Jones was an athletic freak kind of talent, lol.