The key to beating Mosley is a jab so...

can Mayweather take him without a great jab if they ever fight?

Before we discuss Floyd's jab let's establish Mosley's weakness to them. Since the Forrest (rip) fights it's been clear that the best and maybe ONLY way to take Mosley is with a great jab. Let's look at his loses and bad performances:

Forrest 1-Lots of long, heavy jabs. Disrupted Mosley's rhythm and prevented him from getting set and utilizing his power boxing technique. Mosley like's to jab his way in, establish distance and pound away with power shots to the head and body. Forrest stopped him from doing this by nailing him repeatedly with that piston jab, keeping mosley back, preventing him from getting set and stopping those combos from even getting started. Oh yeah, he clinched a lot to.

Forrest 2-See above but a little bit closer on the scorecards

De la Hoya 2-In the first fight Oscar completely abandoned his fantastic jab in favour of overpowering the smaller Mosley and landing his pet punch, the left hook. It backfired and Mosley outhustled and outpunched Oscar over 12. In the rematch, Oscar BOXED Mosley more rather than trying to brawl him. He did far better and many feel he took the decision. Again, Mosley fought an opponent with a world class jab.

Winky 1, 2-Both fights, despite the scores on the second fight, were clear (maybe close, but CLEAR) wins for Wright. The first fight especially was one sided. Mosley tried to bully his way in and was stopped at each turn by that heavy right jab. Mosley never looked comfortable and it wasn't just the weight, it was Winky timing him and putting an end to every attack. Mosley, when he did let his hands go, was timed so well from the jab that he attacks lost all snap and hit nothing but arms. Wright dominated with nothing more than a jab

Cotto-This was a close fight on paper and even closer in reality. But it was Cotto's double jab that brought it home. Whether or not you feel Cotto won, he fought brilliantly behind that jab, hard, fast and accurate all night long. Doubling it up so frequently Jack Leow would be proud, Cotto started every attack with the jab. Again, Mosley had trouble with a jab but in this fight it was his counter punching and supposedly faster hands that suffered; Mosley was unable to stop Cotto from attacking as he jabbed Mosley before he could get set and launch the counter offense.

So in every Mosley loss, the jab was the primary weapon of his opponents. Floyd has a world class jab. But he uses it more sparingly in recent years and recent fights. Baldomir is a great example of using it to outbox an opponent: however that jab was meant to pick up points and create distance. It is not the heavy, stiff, thudding jab which has traditionally worked against Mosley.

1)Does Mayweather have a good enough jab to be effective against Shane?

2)If not, what can he do to win?

 

exactly, age will help and it's not to say pbf can't win. it's just that the key to beating mosley is a jab and mayweather won't be able to rely on his to win. he'll need something else

 

it's that last one i see making a BIG difference. jack mosley was/is a great trainer but i'm inclined to think now that his best work was in the gym; when mosley was getting roughed up by wright, he offered up no strategy.

brother nazim is a master strategist and will provide the game plan to accompany mosley's incredible ability and style

 

:goodgreat post. yeah, jack mosley was not the best guy to have in your corner. he relied way too much on shane's natural talent. floyd is INCREDIBLY talent and you're right: doesn't make a lot of mitakes. I also think he has the clear advantage in a number of areas like adaptability, defense and ring intelligence. i agree he'll make shane lead but not let him get set in his attacks: floyd may let shane come to him and pot shot with lead rights and get the **** out of dodge, then counter any follow up attacks. it's a dangerous game because if he gets caught trading, he'll lose in those moments

 

good call on floyd's jab to the midsection (i remember the poor ****er he knocked down with a jab to the gut). he does use the jab to throw a fighter off his timing BUT his jab is more distracting, distancing and point scoring. the jabs that usually bother mosley are more thudding and offensive weapons. at welter, i don't know if floyd has that kind of jab, with that kind of pop

 

definitely, and post 135, i haven't seen the same snap or frequency of its use

 

for sure, BUT do you feel his use of the jab will be of use against mosley? and if not, what will he have to do instead?