The Kid Gavilan Appreciation Thread

No one knows, but Ike Williams, Beau Jack, and Garcia had all used the bolo prior to Gavilan coming along. Garcia had worked on sugar cane plantations while growing up in the Philipines, just as Gavvy had; and I believe (though I could be wrong) Jack had been a plantation worker as well.

 

atschI had to look!:wall:nut

 

Pugilistic Power was the dick who claimed that Hatton would have stopped Gavilan in 5 rounds.

He is good fun though because he is intelligent enough to think he can debate you on something so he will put a bit of effort into argueing his point...but its ALWAYS weak as **** and full of holes so its a gradual, painfully funny beatdown then he just simply runs away and never posts in that thread again.

 

PugilisticPower is a ****ing ******.

 

here is a link to a page on the bolo punch:

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolo_punch[/ame]

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceferino_Garcia"]

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[/ame] is commonly referred to as the inventor of the bolo punch, though a 1924 article appearing in the Tacoma News-Tribune reported a Filipino boxer named Macario Flores to be using it. Garcia, [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kid_Gavilan"]

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[/ame] and [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_Ray_Leonard"]

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[/ame] are widely recognized as three of the best bolo punchers in boxing history.

When asked once how he came to develop the wide sweeping uppercut, Garcia said that as a youth he cut sugarcane in the [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippines"]

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[/ame] with a [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolo_knife"]

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[/ame], which he would wield in a sweeping uppercut fashion.

A bolo is a large cutting tool similar to the [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machete"]

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[/ame], used particularly in the jungles of [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesia"]

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[/ame], the [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippines"]

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[/ame], and in the sugar fields of [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba"]

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[/ame]. The primary use for the bolo is clearing vegetation, whether for agriculture or during [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_blazing"]

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[/ame].
The bolo is called an itak in [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tagalog_language"]

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[/ame] while in [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiligaynon_language"]

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[/ame], the blade is referred to as either a binangon or a talibong.

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If the crooked decisions on his record were actually ironed out, his resume would look even BETTER.

He was robbed against Johnny Saxton, Lester Felton, Robert Villemain, George Costner and Billy Graham (in their first fight).

Also could have had decisions go his way against Gene Hairston, Gene Burton, Tommy Ciarlo, Ike Williams, Danny Womber, Bobo Olson and a bunch of others in the twilight of his career.

 

That's a very good point. His W-L record (particularly toward the end of his career) is deceptive because so many of his losses were on close and/or questionable decisions. He missed out on winning a second world title (which would've been a helluva boost to his legacy) in a fight that possibly could've gone either way, and he was clearly robbed of his WW title in about as blatantly fixed a decision as you'll ever see. Ironically, he's remembered more for squeezing out close, disputed decisions against Graham and Basilio in title defenses, but more often than not the close fights actually went against him.

 

Would it be bold to guess that he's from England?

 

atsch

 

I have no idea man...I thought his avy said he was from NY or something.

Wouldnt be surprised if he was a pom though...they love to latch on to any of their sportsman that is even remotely successful and elevate them to god like status.

 

It does, but it says "Manhattan, New York"; whereas New Yorkers traditionally say "New York, New York."

I just took a quick glance at his posts and at least 90% of them praise Joe Calzaghe.

I think I'll stick with my initial surmise.

 

So ****ing true. I don't know how a good chunk of a nation can be blatantly ******ed and rabid when it comes to their sport figures.

 

Well I'm glad I can think for myself then.

Because Hatton to beat Gavilan is probably the worst pick I've ever heard of.

 

Not that I've seen. I thought he was a rightful winner in his infamous first title fight with Graham, and I thought the Basilio fight was painfully close and could've gone either way. His split decision win over Livio Minelli (in a non-title fight) was unpopular with many of the fans who saw it, but beyond that I don't know what fights of his might even qualify as "gifts."

For the record, redrooster claims to have seen all four of Gavilan's fights with Graham (even though only one of them exists on film) and claims Gavvy never beat him. :nut