The Kid Gavilan Appreciation Thread

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  1. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    The Basilio fight was a one round either way affair IMO. Seems he had a rugh few decisions then.

    :lol::lol: Redrooster

    I watched the 3rd Graham fight yesterday and thought Gavilan got it slightly
     
  2. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    My research on Gavilan vs Olsen

    Gavilan waited patiently in the ring for Olsen, as Welterweight champion he was not used to being first in the ring but tonight he was attempting to annex the Middleweight title. Ray Robinson previously had had won both the Welterweight and Middleweight title and Gavilan looked to follow in the footsteps of his old foe.

    Olsen arrived in the ring; the balding 26 year old looked much older than his allotted years but was nevertheless a tough and worthy champion. He was a steady aggressive technician with a highly unusual but effective defence christened the ‘Olsen Crab’. He had won the coveted Middleweight belt with a knockout over Britain’s Randolph Turpin. This was a champion not about to give up his laurels.

    As Olsen entered the ring he approached Gavilan holding a Hawaiian Lei and placed it around the neck of his opponent, to the disgust of ‘The Keed’ who looked ready to start the bout there and then!

    Olsen was the 11/5 favourite, the punters and pundits thought his added weight and aggressive style would overcome Gavilan’s superior skill set and flashier style. Rumours also abounded about Gavilan having hurt his right hand in a tune up bout against Johnny Cunningham on the 23rd of February, but had since scored a 10 round decision over Livio Minelli. But Gavilan assured fans it would not hinder ‘The Cuban Hawk’.

    The bout started cagily as both men looked to feel the other out with long probing shots. Gavilan, weighing surprisingly heavy at 155lbs, back pedalled away from the crouching and advancing Olsen, 159 ½ lbs. Honours were even as both men were tame.

    The second was more of the same but both men started to land more as Gavilan was landing hard jabs and left hooks whilst Bobo was landing his right hand leads to the head of Gavilan. The pace had picked up but the bout was still in its infancy.

    After the reconnaissance reports had come back and been reviewed by both men it was Gavilan who spryly stamped his control on the fight as he led his opponent on to hard lefts before moving off again, in the 4th a hard left hook from the ‘Hawk’ buzzed Olsen momentarily as Gavilan put the early rounds in the bag.

    The tide changed as Olsen upped his work rate and started to out land the Cuban 3 to 1 as he backed him up with sneaky rights. Olsen was smartly feinting his left and throwing right leads which were landing. However Olsen was going against what many thought he would do, as he worked the head of Gavilan instead of the body. The fight kept this pattern although some rounds were closer than the others.

    In the 10th Gavilan sensed the fight heading away from him so he came out more aggressively and began to trade with the bigger Olsen. Gavilan’s faster left hands were troubling Olsen and was forcing Olsen to hold on to escape the avalanche of the Cuban’s ‘missiles’ although Bobo’s right hands were landing he could not keep up with the intensity of the Hawk’s new found impetus. The savagery of the round had the crowd on its feet in appreciation of the action.
    After the sensational 10th Olsen again took control with his precise right hand and work rate as Gavilan went on the back foot behind his smoke screen of left hands. The 11th through to 14th were all Olsen’s.

    Again sensing the tide turning against him Gavilan made a stand as once again he slugged it out with Olsen and as before was landing the harder and cleaner shots on the Middleweight champion. Olsen was once again forced to seek refuge by holding as Gavilan’s whipping left hands were beating Olsen’s straight rights. Rousing the crowd both men slugged it out to the final bell. The furious round caused the South East Missourian to remark that,

    ‘The 15th round, when he (Gavilan) threw all caution to the wind indicated Gavilan might have been able to chill Olsen if he had been the same two fisted buzzsaw all the way.’

    Many at ringside were split with Associated Press having it 7-6-2 to Olsen; New York Daily New’s writer Gene Ward had it 8-5-2 to Gavilan; Cleveland Plain Dealer writer Jimmy Doyle had it 10-5 to Olsen. As you can gather it was a close bout (to some). The crowd cheered lustily for both men in gratitude for the heroic fight they had offered. People at home sat in awe in front of the television screens desperately waiting the result of the judges’ cards.

    The result….. a majority decision……. To the winner………..and………….still Middleweight Champion: Carl’ Bobo’ Olsen.

    Referee Weisman had scored it 147-141 OLSEN; Judge Hintz had it 144-144 EVEN and Judge O’Conner had it absurdly wide at 147-139 OLSEN. The crowd enthusiastically cheered the winner and loser alike, but there was no outrage at the scoring as it was a desperately close and ‘open to interpretation’ fight.

    Sportswriters shrewdly observed that Gavilan had neglected the use of his right hand, but Gavilan ever the optimist shrugged it off saying,

    ‘Well, I think I can lick him with my left.’

    But soon after it came to light that Gavilan’s right fist had been affected by the earlier injury caused in the bout with Cunningham. The reporters also praised Olsen’s work rate and clever tactics as he triumphed over ‘The Kid’. The Milwaukee Sentinel thought,

    ‘Olsen had patterned his fight perfectly against Kid Gavilan.’

    Gavilan however, had failed in his attempt to become a two weight world champion and Olsen had successfully defended his title. Gavilan looked for a rematch but it never did come around and focused on his Welterweight title. Whereas Olsen soon lost his title to a ‘comebacking’ Ray Robinson.


    For Primary coverage try here for many different views on the bout

    http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=gavilan+vs+olsen&cid=4297286578339844&scoring=a&sa=N&start=10
     
  3. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :rofl Good times... Still waiting for Red's scorecards.
     
  4. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Seems the Olsen fight was a fair deal IMO
     
  5. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    From what I have seen of the bout I can certainly vouch for Gavilan's right hand appearing to be injured. He was only using it to arm punch on the inside and without much effect. It was only late in the fight where he threw caution to the wind and started using his right in a desperate attempt to rest momentum from Olsen.

    To me, the fact that he pretty much held his own with Bobo with the use of only one good hand speaks volumes for him.
     
  6. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not from what I know G, but he might have had a couple go his way.
     
  7. Flea Man

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    The epic rooster-graham incident was :lol:
     
  8. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    It does indeed, the volume of work Gavilan did at MW is very underappreciated.

    How much of the Olsen bout is their on film?

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  9. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    My copy runs about 17 minutes. Not sure if a longer version is out there or not. Haven't come across one...
     
  10. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    All I've heard of is the 16-17 min HL of the Olson/Gavilan fight.
     
  11. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Suppose you would get a good idea of the bout
     
  12. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's been awhile since I've seen it...The thing I remember taking away from it, (and being a little surprised about)was the speed of Olson's hands in the exchanges.
     
  13. My2Sense

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    In addition to Ward's, I have a couple other ringside reports from NY writers, and they both scored it for Gavvy as well. If I remember right, one scored it even in rounds but had Gavilan ahead on points.

    However, I just looked at boxrec's page on the fight and it says, "Of 13 fight scribes polled at ringside, all 13 scored in favor of Olson." It also says both the AP and UP had Olson winning just by a point or two.
     
  14. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    This seems to explain the scoring of the bout well

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...BAJ&pg=3447,4438929&dq=gavilan+vs+olsen&hl=en
     
  15. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Just watched the supposed 'draw' between Kid Gavilan and Johnny Bratton in the second fight of their series, and it reaffirmed to me what a great fighter Gavilan is. Simply superb. Bratton was jerking him around a little with the imitation of the bolo punch and some sneaky punches that were getting through, but Gavilan's intensity was immense and he was battering Bratton around the ring with fantastic flurries throughout. What really impressed me as well was Kid Gavilan's defense. He's not noted for it, but his defense is excellent when he is not utterly disdainful of the other guys' power and wants to move out of the way. He was showing some head movement that would make Nicolino Locche impressed, whilst making whole flurries from Bratton miss entirely.

    Again, this was another home town decision against Gavilan, in a fight he won clearly and decisively.

    Kid Gavilan vs. Johnny Bratton II: 97-93 Gavilan
    Bratton: 7 ( 10-8 ) & 9.
    Gavilan: 1,2,3,4,5,6 & 8.
    Round 10 even.




    And here's my scorecards for some other controversial Gavilan fights:


    Kid Gavilan vs. Carmen Basilio: 146-143 Gavilan
    Basilio: 2,3,4 and 15 Basilio.
    Gavilan: 1,5,7,810,11 and 14 Gavilan.
    Rounds 6,9,12 and 13 even.

    Kid Gavilan vs. Billy Graham III: 144-143 Gavilan
    Graham: 9,11,12,13,14 and 15.
    Gavilan: 1,2,3,4,6,7 and 8 Gavilan.
    Rounds 5 and 10 even.

    Kid Gavilan vs. Johnny Saxton: 144-141 Gavilan
    Saxton: 4,10,11 and12.
    Gavilan: 1,2,3,6,7,8,13 and 15.
    Rounds 5 and 14 even.

    Kid Gavilan vs. Danny Womber: 97-96 Gavilan
    Womber: 1,5 and 8.
    Gavilan: 3,6,7 and 10.
    Rounds 2,4 and 9 even.