The King of the Giants! Rank the biggest Heavyweights champs against each other.

Most of the guys I listed were at the top or near the top of the division when Bowe was so I don't know why he didn't fight them. If there is a legitimate reason such as conflicts between reaching an agreement etc. then I am sure someone on here knows why. I'm not really that into Bowe so I don't go looking crazy deep into his career. I just watch a few of his fights here and there.

You'll have to be more specific about the better names on Bowe's resume. I'll be more than happy to give you an answer but what one person thinks is a "better name" another might not.

 

You are probably right.

The kid is a natural.

Joshua has been using him as a sparring partner to get ready for Klitschko, and the rumours are that he was consistently beating Joshua to the punch.

Given that he is only 19 at the moment, he might have a higher celling than Joshua, provided he ticks a few crucial boxes.

I predict that they will fight each other in anger one day.

 

Other than the aforementioned Hide & Seldon, the names I was thinking were Tubbs, Dokes, Thomas, Cooper, Biggs, I doubt Golota fights impressed you but he was somebody. Then of course a legendary trilogy against Holyfield, one of the divisions greatest rivalry series.

 

Tubbs - 33 years old when Bowe fought him and was seen as past it when Tyson fought him 3 years prior
Dokes - A definite 6 rd fighter. Had fast hands but that was about it. Terrible stamina. 35 years old when Bowe fought him, at the end of his career and had been a fighter since the mid 70s.
Thomas - 32 years old. Been a pro since '78. Outside of a good jab he didn't really have much. Didn't have any good wins left in him.
Cooper - Had a lot of potential but never really did anything. Had almost just as many losses as he did wins. C level fighter. I don't think anybody considers him a top fighter of the era or even a contender for that matter.
Biggs - 30 years old. Got taken apart by Tyson, Damiani, and Mason prior to Bowe and never had a good win after or before Bowe apart from maybe Snipes.
Golota - I think those fights speak for themselves...

The Holyfield fights were great and I give him credit for 'em however as you can see those are about the only wins he has over any good fighters.

The guys you brought up were ok contenders in the 80s. Bowe fought them in the 90s. All had been beaten and stopped prior to Bowe fighting them. Apart from Golota.

 

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I've had a look at Bowe's boxrec record and there were a couple more decent-ish names I forgot to add;

Buster Mathis Jr - undefeated at the time and although the fight was ruled a NC, Riddick was en route to a zero snatching victory.
L. Donald - another undefeated fighter who went on to enjoy some decent wins after Bowe.
P. Coetzer - has a high rating on boxrec although his resume consists of less than stellar names admittedly.

From your list of names Bowe never fought I do think you are being harsh considering Tyson and Foreman at least refused to fight him and without knowing I would venture a guess that he faced similar problems with some of the others. I can't imagine Bowe would have had much trouble with Bruno, Tua or McCall. He would be favoured heavily versus Morrisson, Mercer and Moorer. Ibeabuchi and Byrd only got to the top around the time Bowe was on the way out although I would have loved to see a Bowe/Ibeabuchi fight.



I looked into the fighters Dempsey missed during his era and other than Wills and Langford the others I was referring to were;

Jack Johnson (ok he was about 75yo at the time but….)
Sam McVea
Joe Jeanette
Harry Greb

I don't know how feasible these fights were during Dempsey's time but when you add his long hiatus while Champion I find it a little hypocritical you excuse Dempsey while hold Bowe's against him. This is especially annoying for me as a fan of Bowe as he seemed eager to fight his whereas Dempsey apparently didn't fancy the fights against his rivals. Of course Jack went on to compile an impressive resume chock full of esteemed names while Riddick was finished at 29, I just feel it is unfair to infer Bowe was a cherry picking/ducker when (with the exception of Lewis) it seems he was the one being avoided. Dempsey's resume is indeed much more impressive but he had a far longer career in which to accomplish this.

 

Buster Mathis Jr, Coetzer, and Donald weren't ever seen as top contenders of the era. Coetzer was at the end of his career and didn't win any more fights after Bowe.

Johnson wasn't even allowed to fight in the United States when Dempsey was a contender. No way that fight is happening. Mcvea and Jeanette were no longer contenders nor where they even seen as that big of threats around the time that Dempsey was a contender. There were bigger fish to be fried. I don't know much about the talks with Greb but from what I have read they sparred a few times and Greb did good in the early rds but if they fought for a full 15 rd fight there was no way Greb would make it the entirety of the fight. At the end of the day Greb was a middleweight and barely a light heavyweight. The heavyweight contenders that Dempsey did fight are better than fighting Greb. If Dempsey did fight Greb people here would just say he ducked the heavyweights of his era to fight a 165 lbr.

How am I hypocritical? You keep being passive aggressive, if you have an opinion you want to say about me just come out and say it. Quit injecting snide remarks here and there in these long responses.

Bowe fought NONE of the top contenders in his era outside of Holyfield. He was in the 2nd strongest heavyweight era that was loaded the entire decade and he only managed 2 wins over Holyfield. I already said Dempsey had his hiatus from boxing and how that is a mark against him but he fought the contenders of his era that his management would allow. Do you see the difference between none and some? Don't forget the eras that Dempsey and Bowe fought in. In Dempsey's time the heavyweight champ was more than just an athlete, they were an idol to everyone. A symbol of strength and power. There wasn't a soul in the country that didn't know his name. The movie industry was booming and Dempsey was popular as hell in the Roaring 20s. 100x more popular than Bowe ever was. Of course he's going to make money elsewhere as heavyweight champ. That was the custom back then.

 

I feel you are hypocritical because you excuse Dempseys missing names but Bowe's you just list the names he missed and put the blame on him. You are a weirdo if you think I am being passive-aggressive, I am just asking questions and I thought we were having a friendly enough conversation, if it upsets you so much that I read your posts as having a double standard then don't answer them. Anyway, I made a thread to get the answers I a looking for. Feel free to keep out of them you massive vagina. "snide remarks" get a grip you nutcase I am only trying to learn something, not attack anyone. How was I to know you were so sensitive you would break down crying over being asked to explain what I perceived to be inconsistencies.

 

Wooooah hold on a moment dude lets not let things get out of hand.

The reason I don't treat Bowe and Dempsey the same is because Dempsey fought multiple top contenders and wipped them out whereas Bowe only fought Holyfield. Feel free to name the guys Dempsey ducked and I will do my best to put forth my knowledge of why Dempsey didn't fight them whether it was ducking or not.

Does that make sense?