The Klitschko brothers, overrated?

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  1. tobias

    tobias Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wladimir has 16 consecutive wins but I don`t remember any than old and bum opponents with the exception of David Haye. Haye was the only top boxer he has ever beat. Chagaev was also solid. Chris Byrd for example KOed his brother Vitali and Wlad met him at an old age. Wlad was knocked out by Lamon Brewster and then meet him again after 3 years. Against a changed Lamon Brewster, in totally different form. Corrie Sanders knocked him out too, in the second round. Same Wlad Klitschko met an old Hasim Rahman in 2008, far from his prime.

    Vitali met Ross Puritty also after 3 years after the American knocked out his brother Wladimir. I am sick of this. They had no opposition. I don`t remember Vitali meeting any top opponent since the loss against Lennox Lewis. Samuel Peter was only solid, Adamek is not a heavyweight, while Chisora was only limited for this level.

    I`m not saying they aren`t somehow talented and improved but how to proclaim them one of the best in history. When they fight only bums or fighters who were good but are old and not in their primes? And lost to Purrity, Sanders? Or like Vitali who was nowhere the top opponents met.
     
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    original thread
     
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  3. PityTheFool

    PityTheFool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Only by their fans.
    Most of us have a firm grip on reality.
     
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  4. shaunster101

    shaunster101 Yido Full Member

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    They're the best HW boxers of their generation and very good business men. They've built themselves a nice little empire in Germany with all their championship belts and they're now able to dominate the division both in the ring and at the negotiating table.

    Like most other top sports stars they've built themselves a nice squeaky clean PR image which obviously is not entirely accurate given their ruthless business practices, but they're no more fraudulent than most of the other guys top guys in sports - and certainly a lot, lot better than most.

    They're incredibly marketable in Europe and that has allowed them to cross over to the mainstream and attract non-boxing fans in the same way Hatton and De La Hoya etc did. This means that they are able to make great money fighting less than stellar opposition (see Rcky Hatton) which only strengthens their position at the negotiating table as no matter who you are, they don't need you to make money. Obviously this pisses a lot of people off, but they're smart guys and boxing is a business - as much as we might want to see them throw money at the more challenging but reluctant HWs (SNV, Povetkin) we're not going to be the ones paying for their place in a retirement home when they're old.

    They're good, marketable fighters who dominate a division which has seen better days, and manage their careers like a business. This is always going to **** some people off.
     
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  5. pirao666

    pirao666 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Really? :lol:

    The standard of trolling is really going downhill.
     
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  6. tobias

    tobias Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Of course, PityTheFool, I know you are older and watched real heavyweight divisions of the past.


    Really? Are Floyd Mayweather, Pac-Man and Andre Ward frauds? Even Marquez, Hopkins, Pascal or Froch?
     
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  7. shaunster101

    shaunster101 Yido Full Member

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    Manny Pacquiao is a ****ing massive fraud. He's a PR creation - the god fearing, honest, humble and naive Manny Pacquiao who drinks, smokes, gambles and commits adultery. He was a very good fighter at the lower weights, in fact he was phenomenal - but his rise trough WW and above has been carefully manufactured.

    Most of boxing these days is fraudulent as it seems the dream of most fighters is to work themselves into a position where they're able to choose beatable opposition and make great money doing it.
     
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  8. tobias

    tobias Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Many would say it`s not their fault they had no opposition. But what about fighting now Set Mitchell, Alexander Povetkin or Tyson Fury? Or David Haye one more time, why not? Probably they will pick Pulev and Helenius after they end with all these bums like Mormeck. Stupid fans from Switzerland and Germany pay for this. Would the Americans buy tickets? Hell, no.

    He was clearly juicing but met and won top or good opponents: Barrera, Marquez, De La Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, Morales. Enough? Mosley was not in his prime and Margarito we all know is a chicken without loaded gloves.

    They all choose also beatable opposition at a moment. But the majority after meeting good opponents too.
    The Klitschko brothers have chosen in general only beatable opposition. Sorry, but only David Haye was not.
     
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  9. dinovelvet

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    People who rate K2 need to aquaint themeslves with the 70s and 90s division.

    Go watch Tommy Morrison vs Razor Ruddock. The answer is there.
     
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  10. tobias

    tobias Well-Known Member Full Member

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    People comparing them to Frazier and Foreman. :))) What's next? Comparing them to great Ali?
    Too bad Mike Tyson isn't fighting anymore. :( If only Seth Mitchel would be half of him..
     
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  11. PityTheFool

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    Not really sure where you're going with that Tobias.:blood
    The question is are they overrated.I rate them just about right so I think it's only fair that I give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that wasn't an attack.
     
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  12. tobias

    tobias Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No attacks, I just wait to see at least competitive fights. What's the point in meeting 3 mormecks or more.
     
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  13. Rudolph

    Rudolph Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Is it OK to say Mayweather has built himself a nice little empire in the USA?
     
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  14. FeldMunster

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    So who would you have liked to see the Klitschko's fight that they avoided. They tried to get Valuev, Wladimir has tried multiple times to fight Povetkin, Vitali tried to get Haye to agree to a fight last year. You promote Tyson Fury and Seth Mitchell as more worthy opponents than Pulev and Helenius? I strongly disagree.
     
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  15. suckeggs

    suckeggs Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Comparing Mayweathers business dealings/opponents to K2 is naive.

    Floyd fights a much higher calibre of opponent and doesn't lumber them with crazy contracts neither. No doubt Floyd has the power within the sport to do so but he doesn't
     
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