The Klitschko sisters killed HW boxing

The reason for it being big is irrelevant, it'd be big.

I disagree, wlad - adamek would be bigger than haye - adamek by quite some margin imo.

Haye can sell fights, the fact that within just 25 fights he has found himself in the biggest heavyweight for ten years is unreal.

But it's only the biggest fight because of wlad's achievements in the ring and that cannot be denied. Had wlad not been the best for the last 6 years this wouldn't be the fight it is.

 

Of course they will, just like they would if you ask them "Who is Floyd Mayweather?". They aren't going to know that. I mention Mayweather because he only draws in one country, America, yet he's still the biggest star in the sport today. You may say "Only Brits believe Haye is a draw" but only Brits need to believe he's a draw. The fact he can sell a million PPV's in one single country, means, without question, he's a big draw. He doesn't need to have his fights shown in 114 countries like the Klitschkos do because the absolute bottom line is, he makes more money than they do. Haye's fights on PPV bring in more money than the Klitschkos fighting in 114 countries for an average of $4,000 per country.

But, regardless of that opening paragraph, Haye/Valuev was huge in Germany and Haye is the one fighter HBO want to dominate the heavyweight division. He may not be a huge draw worldwide, and neither are any other fighters you can mention including Pacquiao and Mayweather, but he is relevant. He has more potential to draw than any other fighter out there.

Haye vs. Valuev and Harrison both did close to a million PPV buys, generating far more money than either Klitschko has ever earned in a single fight. They were big events whether you like it or not.

I'm not sure what your point is.

 

Yeah, true, but it'll never happen, so it's pretty much besides the point.

Based on what?

German TV would be the same because of the Klitschko's contract, American TV would be the same, because neither Haye or Adamek are HBO attractions, and other international TV would be the same. The two nations which differ are Britain, for Wlad/Haye, and Poland, for Wlad/Adamek. The money from British PPV absolutely dwarfs anything that Polish TV could ever imagine, so I fail to see how Wlad/Adamek would be bigger money. Even if you assume HBO would offer more money for Wlad/Adamek fight, because Adamek has been on American TV more than Haye, that would still be a tiny improvement, so when you tally all the money up, primarily because of the Sky PPV money, a Wlad/Haye fight would generate far more money.

I agree, mate, but the fact is, Wlad will never make the kind of money that he will against Haye. Haye, however, won't be making much more than he did against Valuev. Essentially, they both need each other to make it such a huge fight but I think you're selling Haye short, if you think it's any more than 50/50 in Wlad's favour. I think it's more like 70/30 in Haye's favour or, at least, 60/40.

Considering he's got the majority of the belts and he was the one negotiating 50/50 and not the lions share, that pretty much proves what I'm saying.

 

This is where you started coming off the rails,

Now the wheels have fallen off as well.

Dempsey, Frazier, Marciano and Tyson were all very skilled HWs.

No. It's nothing like that.

Brutality without skill isn't going to win anything.

There have been no ATGs in the HW division who weren't skilled.

George was talking about the casual fan. And he's right on both counts, Jazz and boxing.

The sheer stupidity of this statement beggars belief. You really should consider WWF or MMA.

Better still, bar fights would be right up your alley.


Then again, your whole outlook might be different if you had a different agenda.


:-(

 

Oh please. You know as well as anybody that Haye vs. random opponents like Povetkin, Adamek or Solis would do crap PPV.

Haye's days on UK PPV are over, that's why he finally went for Wlad.

You think if he could dream of making 1 million PPV sales with guys like Poveetkin he'd think about taking the risk of fighting Wlad? You're delusional.

Haye had a one-time big PPV vs. Valuev and then he another one-timer with Fraudley. There's nothing else on the horizon. Neither in the UK nor US. Those numbers will never be repeated for Haye, unless it's against either Klit. Haye vs. Adamek/Solis/Povetkin makes less money than either Klit against any of those opponents, because Haye's PPV numbers against random, unknown opponents are nothing to write home about.

You make out Haye to be some British Tyson who got record PPV buys when boxing an unknown nobody like McNeely @ $49.95. You're entire thesis is clearly absurd.

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl

What a ****in' load of bollocks !

British fans are (with some notable exceptions) mindless yobs and ****wits. This is true of their soccer fans who generally couldn't give a **** about the game, so long as there's a bit of aggro.

Ricky Hatton fans ?

A bunch of Man City rejects, usually so ****in drunk by the opening bell that they can't even see the action.

Real Brit fans ?

They exist, but they are the exception.

 

Jack all that tells me is how naive the British public is and that you will buy into ANY fighter. Anyone who bought the Harrison fight after the Valuev debacle is an idiot. I can't believe they are letting Haye back into Germany to fight after that performance. Both of those fights were atrocious especially from a guy who said he was going to "save the Heavyweight Division" :rofl:rofl

 

You keep talking about money ,but I don't know how much wlad makes and I don't believe anything that biased british media or haye camp report, coz they may report huge ppv numbers , but then why haye fighting at MEN , why not wembley ?

 

well you probobly know better .I lived in UK and I remember many Chelsea fans look like typical eurotrash , but not all.

 

I lived in London (was a Spurs supporter) in the early seventies and the yobs were in the process of taking over from better quality fans.

A while after that, all British fans were banned from Euro travel for a while.

Maybe things have improved.

But some of the British boxing fans who travel with their fighters, come across as more than a wee bit mental.

 

66 more days of this. I wish this damn fight was happening at this very moment.

 

Jealousy alert ^^^

 

atschatschatsch

this is sooo wrong. in fact they are keeping the division alive by swatting every bum that attempts to fool each and every one of us.

next stop: london.

 

A Scot invented it, what do you think? :nut

English clubs were banned from Europe from 85-90 due to Liverpool fans which robbed a very good Everton side the chance to do well at the time.

Scottish clubs were fine, hence Dundee United reaching the UEFA Cup Final in 87 beating Barca home & away on route :smoke:good

 

This thread is all about "sour grapes"................