The Klitschkos have successfully lowered the bar

Everything from Pizzaface to spanking to Wladimir being better than Ali




it's all good bro.!!!!!

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That's my old grandpa spanking a naughty girl!!!!

 

so your mum then?

 

No. My mums always been a good girl!!!!!!

I think it might be Jacks mum!!!!!

edit-yep it is!!! grandpa just told me!!!!!!! naughty naughty girl she was.

 

If you want a debate, you need to start reading the replies you get properly. Even if you wish it was true that K'fans believe Wlad is better than Ali, because it makes you feel clever, there is no K'fan suggesting that. And no one have said they are the best ever.

You are a textbook hater. And therefor your argumentation fails. Over and over again.

:hi:

 

Do you care to contradict my statement?

Do you have top secret evidence that Frazier, Foreman, and Liston were inducted into the Hall of Fame around the time that Ali faced them? Did they break the "5 year" rule just fo these special guys?

Oh...your post is completely worthless than and you just wanted to ask me a redundant question you could easily look up yourself? I see. Good job, great article! Smashing article! You have turned the course of history with this monumental post. Well done, sir. My god, this the most purporseful and informative post in the history of the forums. You have done Klit Haters and Afrocentrics a great service on this day, I thought they were all racist idiots with crap sense of humor, but you have totally changed my mind with this demonstration of remarkable intelligence.

My opnion of you is so high right now, that I could make love to you. How wrong I was to find it idoitic to use the HOF guage to measure a man's opponents when they have to be retired for 5 years. You have changed my mind. How about that Mayweather, not a single HOFer on his resume. What a bum!

 

Chris Byrd, Vitali-Lewis, Don King, Universum, Vitali KO1 Solis.

 

Thanks to Klitschkos HBO is reluctant to show heavyweight matches because Wlads ''performance'' against Ibragimov. How embarassing is that? atsch

 

Like Lewis Tua? Lewis getting his arse kicked by Mercer? Lewis getting his arse kicked by Mavrovich? How about Holmes/Cobb? Holmes/Spinks? Etc....... Klitschkos are kicking everyone's arse!!!!!!!

 

I'm afraid you are the one who is new, sir. Perhaps you grew up after Tyson/Holyfied and Holyfield/Bowe Trilogy, with no recollection of the heavy criticism he endured before those signature fights earned him his reputation as a "warrior." Before that he was not took serious as a HW and endured lots of crap for being a boring nice guy technician who benefited from bad competition...hmmmmmm, sounds like anyone we know? YOu also need to understand context as I was engaged in a dicussion with another poster, and was not personally stating, "Holyfield was boring" Are you NEW to the reading?

Did you read what the writers said during Holyfield's initial reign? Oh, I suppose not, I will refersh your memory. READ, educate yourself on the history of this sport before you come at me talking trash.


Boring, Not Boxing


Early on, Holyfield tried to make a fight of it. He is a warrior, unafraid and fierce, but one unfortunately programmed by his strategists to perform with caution.

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is one of the finest trainers in the game, but none of his students will ever be caught leading a bayonet charge.

Holyfield is finding respect difficult to come by because his reign almost immediately follows that of

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, one of the most powerful punchers in history. Perhaps because

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and Holyfield share kindred deficiencies, their careers seem closely parallel.


But like all fads, nostalgic fights are going the way of the pogo stick. The public has had enough. If the champion is ever again ordered to fight another old, fat man, he is going to have to do it in a saloon. For nothing. At least 2,000 of the 16,000 seats in the outdoor stadium at

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went unsold. Early returns indicate that the TVKO pay-per-view audience was well below expectations. You can only sell a poke-in-the-pig so many times.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1003928/1/index.htm



Even if Holyfield keeps his title, as he is favored to do, the Foreman fight may do little to dramatically change his image, which is essentially that of a quiet, workmanlike athlete not given to making speeches or even to indulging in the obligatory prefight hype. More than that, though, there is the perception that Holy-field is simply not the best heavyweight in the world and that he owns the championship belt by mere happenstance. Thus, fighting a 42-year-old man is a bit of a no-win situation.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1139815/3/index.htm

"Is somewhat boring as a champion. People want someone exciting. Evander is a nice guy but he's just too quiet. ... "

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingtonpost/access/74053735.html?dids=74053735:74053735&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Oct+08%2C+1992&author=Angus+Phillips&pub=The+Washington+Post+(pre-1997+Fulltext)&desc=Bowe+Tunes+Focus+With+Title+in+Sight%3B+A+Big+Challenge+To+Champ+Holyfield&pqatl=google

"Best Boxers are Boring"

http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...776,5835866&dq=evander+holyfield+boring&hl=en

 

Wow, here's another genius. K-Brothers really bring these guys out of the woodwork and I'm not talking about their fans.

-These are highly anticpated and publicized fights between the top 4 HWs in the World regardless if you feel they are mismatches or not.

-As for your argument...do you live in an alternate reality where Spinks/Holmes never happened?

 

Thanks for replying.

The brothers reign during a weak era. There are no such match ups as those you mention above on the brothers cv at this rate. Wlad versus Haye might become one, but it can also turn out to be crap. We don't know that yet.

Boxing was bigger those days, and therefor fights taking place then was labelled as more important. I believe that a match up between two fighters like Haye av Wlad, who are both very good, would be big during the 70's. Not saying it would be bigger than the most famous fights (please notice the difference), but it would be big.

K'fans says Valuev ducked. K'haters/dislikers says the K-brothers ducked. It depends on what you like to believe, and what sources you like to believe in.

It is the same thing as with Valuev. Word stand against word. Decide what you like to believe and what sources you like to believe in.

If you find that boring thats fine. But you need to realize that it is your personal opinion, and respect that others can have a different point of view. The way Wlad breaks down and exhaust his opponents is by many seen as an application of the sweet science. And he usually ends with a highlight KO.

I answered them right now. I have read previous threads you have created. You where answered back then as well.

In this post I write K'hater/disliker to cover the possibility of you not beeing a hater, but simply a disliker. Say you dislike someone should not be seen as an insult. I, for instance, dislike Andre Ward.

And I am not ignoring your questions.

I am scandinavian. We are raised with the idea that women are not lesser beeings. But when you call me a "women" I assume the whole idea is to insult me. And that is the same thing as namecalling.

Done. (If you don't label "disliker" as namecalling, that is.)

I am looking forward to your reply :smoke

 

-Juan Carlos Gomez will probably make the Hall of Fame based on his CW achievements. Haye and Adamek will probably make HOF based on overall achievements. Byrd could very well end up in there someday and we have no idea how some of these younger guy's careers could turn out. This argument doesn't sit well with me anyway, your telling me Rex Layne as underrated as he is is on the same level or better than Tyson and Lewis cause he matched their number of HOF inductee wins? Find a new critera please.

-High standards. Ali/Frazier and Ali/Foreman are special for a reason. Wlad/Haye is the biggest hyped HW fight since Tyson/Lewis though, good enough in this day and age.

-The Valuev/K Brothers fight attempts have been well documented, both parties seemed willing but a certain colorful promoter kept throwing a wrench into the deals.

 

Let's say its 1999. 3.5 years before Lewis' retirement. What wins and opponents did he have at that point that would put him in the HOF let alone in the top 10 HW ATG?

It's beyond ridiculous analyzing a fighters record when he potentially still has years to enhance (or destroy) it.