The Klitschkos have successfully lowered the bar

Not at all.

Don’t understand how being a fan of Toney makes me a whigger

Should I support only white boxers?

 

ofcourse!!!!!!!!

:hey

 

kidding!!!!!!!!!!

 

Jab & Hold was practically invented by Ali. Over his long career Ali delivered a number of horrific and ugly snoozefests but people still revered him.

 

The problem is the k-brothers oppentents not them.

Wladimir has been careful about picking oppentents to an extend or greed.

Sultan was never that good who got the second title from. Sultan beat a pass it Briggs, who had a fairy tale win to take the title e.g. last punch of a 12 round compedition miles behind koing his oppentent. He then fought an Old Evandar Holyfield. Sultan is no more than cruiserweight size, he was actually noticeable smaller than Evander who once fought at 190. Chageav had a hep B problem, ruptured achilles, hardly any activity and management problems. There are as many old men as Haye's record in his title defences.

That should give you a clue, old fighters ten years past it walk right back in at the top of the rankings. Heavyweight fighters are not fighting hungry up and coming fighters, the division has been full of deadwood since lewis retired. Good young heavies can not get fights and have to weight months even years to get decent compedition.

If they made all top 25 challengers have too fight twice a year including once against a hungry young fighter and once to keep their ranking against other deadwood. The talent would have a chance to rise.

The k brothers are over careful and do try and pick oppentents when they are at their weakest. That is good business, the powers to be need to make the division more compedative. You are only as good as the fighters you beat.

Unfortunately except for Orlandier Solis neither brother has fought a decent heavy since Sanders. You have part timers who do not train, have natural talent, but fail to learn their craft (Aerola, Peter), oldies Briggs, Thompson, the old brewster, Rachman. Guys who are cruisers at best who ply there trade at heavyweight due to the poor standard of the division, Sultan, Chambers, Chageav, Gomez.

What the k brothers are most guilt of is not using their power to force those aiming for title shots into having to fight regularily against hungry young fighters.

The K brothers have dominated with the heavyweight division in an absolute mess. I am keeping my fingers crossed Haye is the real deal. I do not mind who wins out of Haye or Wladimir as long as it is a good fight.

If Haye had a great chin I would be a lot more comfortable. I still feel there is a good chance Haye gets caught early and does not get up. Then we will have the myth makers on again.

 

Not because of his style. He was loved because of the way he was outside of the ring.

Besides, prime Ali was not a "jab and hold" fighter. It's unfair to judge someone when they are as far past their prime as Ali was.

 

On the other hand, if they KO their opponents fast then all the haters say that he was a hypejob, bum.

 

Give me some evidence of this ****ing fraud...

 

The main difference is Ruiz wasn't knocking mother****ers out, Wladimir is. Combined that with the fact that Wlad's jab is the best Heavyweight jab since Larry Holmes and you have your answer.

By the way, it's pretty hypocritical of you to say Wlad's style is boring but I never hear you complain about Larry Holmes. The were similar in the fact that they can control the whole fight with their jab but again, Wlad knocks people out, Larry not so much.

 

:yep

Ali, for all of his brilliance, was a very dirty fighter that held & hit, threw elbows, hugged, etc. But you knew that already didn't you? :yep

 

I'm ****ing dying over here. ****ing dying.

Oh my god...this can't be for realz?

 

The Hall of Fame guage is intereting for an active fighter. I might be mistaken, just might be a tad off, but I don't believe Frazier, Foreman, and Norton were inducted into the HOF when Ali fought them. That wouldn't be until decades later. Foreman had only 3 top 10 wins to his credit, Norton had 0 when he beat Ali. I don't recall the commentary. "Wow this future HOFer Norton is taking it to Ali." atsch Geez, this place is ******ed.

And if Wlad blew out a man who had been shot and lost most of intestines prior to the fight, this homo would be the first to *****. Don't use Big Cat as a measuring stick for Ali against Wlad. Just don't.

 

Rock,

Ali was an amazing all around fighter.:yep
Even though this is hardly Ali's pinnacle fight, it far exceeds anything either Klit has achieved. The only Klit fight that comes close is Lewis Vs Vitali, and that ended up as a TKO lost for the Klit.
Strange thing is Ali would make either Klit look just like Cleveland. :yep