The last two big fights are litmus tests for the proper scoring of a bout.

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  1. Slothrop

    Slothrop Boxing Junkie banned

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    Rigo v. Donaire and Canelo v. Trout (the first being the better example). Both fights in which the judges gave the W to the right guy, but not without slight controversy owing to people who don't really know how to score. Both fights in which the seemingly more aggressive guy lost. Both cases in which the superior ring general spent considerable time going backward, deliberately.
     
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  2. conraddobler

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    Rigo versus Donaire was easy to score.

    Trout versus Canelo was very hard to score.

    In fact, with Canelo vs Trout, there is simply no "right score", no winner. There is no "true score", only extremely fragile interpretations of vague scoring rules.

    For there to be a "correct" winner in every fight requires that scoring fights is computable, and fully reliable. It isn't.
     
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  3. Golden Boy 360

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    I scored Donaire-Rigondeaux 117-110 for Rigo and the other fight 114-113 for Trout. The difference is that Donaire wasn't as active as Trout.
     
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  4. ko_bros

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    Being active is not the only criteria for scoring. Take Alexander-Kotelnik fight for example. Alexander was more active but Kotelnik landed bigger, powerful punches. Essentially he was more effective.
     
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  5. conraddobler

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    If Trout lands 3 jabs and Canelo lands 2, but Canelo's 2 jabs appear to be harder, how do you compute a result that gives Canelo the round (or Trout).

    The answer is that you make a judgement, you don't compute anything. Your judgement is necessarily subjective (the rules don't dictate how to weight the strength of punches).
     
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  6. Slothrop

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    indeed
     
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    Terrible example, Rigo was going back and throwing more and landing more than Donaire
    Alvarez was going backwards and landing and throwing less
    Good try though lol
     
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  8. Slothrop

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    I understand that you're still butthurt about my criticism of Tyson Fury's eggshell chin, but buck up, champ. Your nuts will drop some day. Have faith.
     
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  9. Super Hans

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    Lets be honest- one of the judges in Trout v Alvarez already had his scorecard filled out before the fight
     
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  10. Slothrop

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    Yeah that was ****ed. That judge should never judge a fight again.
     
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    Both were a case of "what do you like?" as much as anything and could have been scored pretty much anything as a result. All the folk saying one was a nigh on shut out sadly don't seem to be able to see the sun for the clouds.
     
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  12. bald_head_slick

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    Stop. No comparison.

    Donaire didn't move his hands AT ALL in that fight. He CLEARLY lost that fight. He knew he was defeated when he started trying to touch gloves at the bells.

    Trout tapped Alvarez all night with that jab. Alvarez landed much sharper more powerful punches but took extended periods off. Any Boxing fan can agree with Alvarez winning. Those score cards ruined it.
     
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  13. Slothrop

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    I think we actually agree. That's why I call it a a litmus test.

    I think if you analyze both fights, objectively, the correct winner was chosen in both instances.

    HOWEVER, there were a substantial number of people who called both fights the other way.
     
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  14. |A|C|S|

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    Typical internet nerd reply
    Learn about the sport then come back
     
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  15. BigBone

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    118-110 Rigo, 115-112 Canelo.

    CLEAN.

    EFFECTIVE.

    PUNCHING.

    PERIOD.
     
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