The least skilled ATG fighters

Feel like a lotta people do nowadays tbh but that’s JUST from what I have seen.

I feel people either devalue fighters from that era or romanticise them with very little room for nuance.

 

That's why it's so hard to properly rate boxers, most people don't know or choose not to know enough to make an educated statement on a topic, but still will. Everyone has their own biases, everyone has a specific era or division they'll know the most about, and thus, we can't all come to any true conclusions when we talk about these things. You have to be willing to learn, and learn a lot, and most people don't.

 

I guess Emanual Steward was an idiot, he said Marciano was,,slow, awkward and clumsy . Oh, besides being short too,,,,

 

He can be all of those things and still very skilled.

 

Hmm?

 

I’m replying to what you said?
I guess Emanual Steward was an idiot, he said Marciano was,,slow, awkward and clumsy . Oh, besides being short too,,,,

 

Rocky Marciano, Muhammad Ali.

 

Sonny Liston hit hard enough to stop Floyd Patterson twice in round one and Patterson was one of the top ten heavyweight champions, in the lower top ten perhaps.

Id like to add that his 75 percent ko to win ratio might be deceptive, him fighting in the last vestiges of the era where "White opponents were let go the distance" by Black fighters for obvious reasons.

But based on what Ive seen, and Ive seen little of course, he seems a bit limited.

Felix Trinidad was, like Bernard Hopkins said, a bit one dimensional This is said in hindsight, because when hopkins said it, I didnt believe it much. i thought he was gonna destroy Hopkins.

Who else? Ray Mancini and Arturo Gatti were very exciting, one punch a second boxers. But they had limitations.

Matthew Saad Muhammad was see above.

I havent seen enough of others. ive seen tidbits of Dick Tiger, Ruben Olivares and all etc but not enough.

No faults found in Joe Louis, Duran, Chavez, Sugar Ray Robinson , Henry Armstrong or Muhammad Ali. None at all. The latter five are my Mount Rushmore of boxing.

 

Mancini and Gatti a long long way from ATG tho. A good question would be is Trinidad. I can seen people going Supernaut on that one.

 

Ricky Burns, gotta be an ATG with world titles in 3 weight divisions.

 

A quote from Ray Arcel concerning Sonny Liston's boxing ability: “Sonny Liston was a great boxer. Lot of people never recognized that, because of his power, but Sonny really could box.”

Ultimately--I think Sonny was far more than "limited"--at his peak you can make a case for him being a top-5 all time HW.

 

I guess Cus Damato, Teddy Atlas,Charley Goldman, and Angelo Dundee r idiots. They all highly rank Marciano and his skills. Dundee even stating he’d be great in any era. With his unusual strength and stamina.

 

Thats the thing I grip with too. I dont think we saw his prime.

A bit like Anne Wolfe. Because of low exposure of women's boxing in the US, we didn't get to see her too much.

 

Folks should take a look at the comments Emanuel Steward has made about Sonny with regards to how good he was in the late 50's to very early 60's. He more or less says Sonny was an absolute DESTROYER back then--and he thinks he might have been good enough to even beat a prime Ali--that's how devastating he was at that time!!

 

Steward isn't an idiot, but he has sure said some idiotic things at times