The Legitimacy Of A Belt

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Badsand, Feb 15, 2012.


  1. Badsand

    Badsand Guest

    What belts are the only legitimate belts? World title only? Or do the Diamond belts and Interim Champions deserve to be called champs
     
  2. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    wba/wbo/ibf/wbc/ring ring is most legit, wbc and wba are crap noawadays.
     
  3. Kalasinn

    Kalasinn ♧ OG Kally ♤ Full Member

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    If it's shiny it's all good. :lol:
     
  4. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    None...The fighter makes the belt, not the other way around.
     
  5. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    well diamond, silver, regular and interim are not champs

    if there is a credible Ring champ at a weight he is the champ the others are belt holders in my words

    basically the legitimacy of the title comes from the champion himself, the way in which he won it as in was it from a defending champ or is it paper

    does the guy defend against credible foes or just milk and hold it hostage
     
  6. Colpolite

    Colpolite Guest

    Example:

    Martinez is the true Champ at 160 and Chavez Jr is a fraud with a belt at 160

    Cotto is the true Champ at 154 and Canelo is a fraud with a belt at 154 from bloated Matthew Hatton for the vacant title.

    That should explain it.
     
  7. The-Executioner

    The-Executioner New Member Full Member

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    The Champion makes the belt
     
  8. Badsand

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    Who would you all say is the 140, and 147, rightful champion
     
  9. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    Bradley at 140

    147 is Manny or Floyd, Floyd may very well have grabbed the lineage from Shane
     
  10. pirao666

    pirao666 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The RING belt is the only legit belt IMO, all the other orgs are corrupt to some degree, WBA and WBC being the worst.
     
  11. knockout artist

    knockout artist Boxing Addict banned

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    The belts themselves don't mean much. For me it's all about who you beat and how you won it. For instance, the WBC stripping Martinez because of some bogus reason, then handing it to Zbik, who got robbed against JCC jr means that I don't give junior much respect at all. If he beat Martinez, I'd give him all the respect in the world, and call him a champion, but he never beat a champion, therefore he isn't one.

    At 140 Tim Bradley is the man, as Bradley beat Peterson. At 147 there is a situation where you have two fighters who need to face each other to determine who is the rightful champion.

    Look at the 168 division, Ward won the super 6, he beat Kessler, Froch and Abraham. He is the rightful champion, Bute holds a belt but is really the number 1 contender, Ward is the champion, and Bute will only be recognised as such if he beat Ward.
     
  12. Badsand

    Badsand Guest

    Its a shame, because the WBC and WBA were well respected back in the day.
     
  13. unsentdemon

    unsentdemon Active Member Full Member

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    Belts stopped losing value when boxers stopped taking on mandatory opponents. It's just an accessory nowadays.
     
  14. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    the WBA? :lol::lol: i would have put them last at best.....

    2011-07-02 Wlad vs Haye for Hayes WBA Belt
    2011-07-03 Wlad WBA Super Champion
    2011-08-27 Chagaev vs Povetkin for "a" WBA Belt


    Andre Ward - super WBA super middleweight champ
    Brian Magee - interim WBA super middleweight champ
    Karoly Balzsay - regular WBA super middleweight champ
    :-( :-( :-(
     
  15. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    Very true, I hate this super champ bull****.