The lesson we all learned from this....

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  1. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Technical skills ain't all there is to boxing. It's been proven time and time again througout the history of the sport, and we never seem to learn. I am stunned.
     
    Sweet Pea, Jul 26, 2008
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  2. Smazz20

    Smazz20 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Madness. Feel very sorry for Cotto after all his hard work but you can't discredit Margarito's heart, chin, stamina. Man's a beast.
     
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  3. québecwarrior

    québecwarrior Georges 'Rush' St-Pierre Full Member

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    tell that to Amsterdam
     
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  4. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    YES.

    The guy who DENIES the fact that intangibles can make a huge difference and the fact that eras truly do make it hard to properly analyse fighters, now comes out and admits that intangibles makes COMPLETE difference in a fight like this.

    This is exactly why I don't try to mix Harry Greb vs Joe Calzaghe, intangibles such as conditioning, chin, modern training are all too big to properly analyse fights based on style alone.
     
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  5. Samurai

    Samurai I lost an avatar bet Full Member

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    I know..I'm so ****ing speechless!

    Great. Now I have to sport that gay ass avatar for 3 months. :-(
     
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  6. bachatu

    bachatu Pro Full Member

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    JCC vs Meldrick Taylor anyone???
     
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  7. jimmy1991

    jimmy1991 Active Member Full Member

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    umm no
     
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  8. Rocky2k5

    Rocky2k5 Member Full Member

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    Now I know why Mayweather retired. The closest he will ever get to Margorito is PPV.
     
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  9. JabCross727

    JabCross727 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well between Baldomir and Mayweather, the more technically sound fighter won.
     
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  10. Chibuku

    Chibuku I'm awesome Full Member

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    you are wrong,Cotto gets hit too often,and he cant lean on the ropes like Floyd without getting hit.When he leans he gets caught and that has a cummulative effect..

    floyd can easily beat Margaritto but many people would have problems.Paul Williams showed us how to beat Margaritto.

    Whoever said Cotto was skillful,he is a power puncher.
     
    Chibuku, Jul 26, 2008
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  11. grouch

    grouch Member Full Member

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    Am I agreeing with you on this one or what!

    No substitute for the armored skull, for sure.

     
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  12. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Bingo. And when you got a guy who whiskers aren't the sturdiest going up against a much bigger man who can crack a bit, there might be a stoppage
     
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  13. BlueApollo

    BlueApollo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The lesson I learned is that being a good body puncher is no good if you can't plant your feet. Margarito's pressure completely nullified Cotto's hook.
     
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  14. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So true. Why i saw these traits in Pavlik but not in Margarito had to do with my own biased perceptions. You can't teach chin, stamina, workrate, and determination. You can't measure it. Pavlik has it. So does Margarito.
     
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  15. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I never denied that intangibles made a difference. If anything that strengthens my case as to why fighters from past eras would be able to compete with modern fighters, even if they weren't as technically skilled, as so many seem to point out about certain past fighters like LaMotta.

    I am stating that technical skills aren't the only criteria, that things like toughness, chin, determination, work ethic, etc all play a hand. I wasn't stating that things like dietary supplements help greatly.

    I agree that things like conditioning and chin come into play, but I always take these things into consideration when analyzing a matchup. We simply don't know these things about certain fighters, Cotto being one of them, as he was never tested like that.
     
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