The light heavy weight division

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1. Ezzard Charles
2. Archie Moore
3. Michael Spinks
4. Tommy Loughran
5. Gene Tunney
6. Harold Johnson
7. Bob Foster
8. Harry Greb
9. Billy Conn
10. John Henry Lewis

Charles at #1, I think that is clear. Minor changes elsewhere seems reasonable though.

Greb is difficult for me to rank at LHW, and I don't even bother trying to rank Langford by divisions.

 

1. Ezzard Charles
2. Archie Moore
3. Sam Langford
4. Gene Tunney
5. Michael Spinks
6. Billy Conn
7. Tommy Loughran
8. Bob Foster
9. Jack Dillion
10. Harold Johnson
11. Roy Jones Jr
12. Kid Norfolk
13. Harry Greb
14. Jimmy Bivins
15. Bob Fitzimmons
16. John Henry Lewis
17. Joe Choynski
18. Tiger Jack Fox
19. Dwight Muhammad Qawi
20. Lloyd Marshall

 

Maybe Langford beats anyone at 175lbs?
The usual suspects must feature,something like?
Tunney ]
Charles]interchangeable?
Langford
Moore
Foster
Loughran
Conn
Spinks
Dillon
Johnson
And where to put Greb? Jones Jnr? Choynsky?
Lewis,Delaney,Berlenbach ? Its a pretty rich division ,for one that hasn't allways been that popular. Tommy Burns could legally have claimed this crown , he would be a tough LH imo.

 

Your top six (not sure if you meant them in that order), are the ones i normally have as mine.

 

Meant to quote your post McVey then

 

This is tough.

Charles
Langford
Tunney
Loughran
Moore
Spinks
Foster
Norfolk
Gibbons
Greb

 

Strong division:

10 Dariusz Michalczewski
9 Ezzard Charles
8 Georges Carpentier
7 Bob Foster
6 Maxie Rosenbloom
5 Gene Tunney
4 Sammy Langford
3 Tommy Loughran
2 Michael Spinks
1 Archie Moore

The rest:

40 Dick Tiger
39 Thomas Hearns
38 Glen Johnson
37 Jose Torres
36 Fabrice Tiozzo
35 Bob Olin
34 Battling Siki
33 Marvin Johnson
32 Victor Galindez
31 Henry Maske
30 Matt Saad Muhammad (Franklin/Loach)
29 Dennis Andries
28 Antonio Tarver
27 Joey Maxim
26 Bernard Hopkins
25 Freddie Mills
24 Battling Levinsky
23 John Conteh
22 Dwight Muhammad Qawi (Braxton)
21 Billy Conn
20 Willie Pastrano
19 Jack O'Brien
18 Charles Williams
17 Harold Johnson
16 Jack Delaney
15 Virgil Hill
14 John Henry Lewis
13 Gus Lesnevich
12 Bob Fitzsimmons
11 Roy Jones

 

T Booze what is your reasoning for having Charles at 9 and Conn at 21? Also no Greb, Norfolk, Tiger Jack Fox, Bivins or Dillion. Good to see Rosenbloom get a mention I was thinking about placing him in my top 20 but I guess he just missed out.

 

I digged out an old (poorish) list (2004)!!! Carpentier would not be so high, and I would find places for Greb (in the top 10) and Norfolk (top 30).

Looking at it, I would actually would have Slapsie Maxie higher; Conn 21???.

I would re-write it as:

10 Ezzard Charles
9 Sammy Langford
8 Billy Conn
7 Bob Foster
6 Harry Greb
5 Gene Tunney
4 Maxie Rosenbloom
3 Michael Spinks
2 Tommy Loughran
1 Archie Moore

Charles never made 175 again after 1948; he was a Middleweight until 1942. So you have to IMO only to look at them six years.

Charles was sensational at the weight during that period only losing to Bivens (avenged); Marshall (avenged) and Ray (avenged); also he beat a Maxim; Oakland Billy Smith and of course Archie Moore.

But like Roy Jones Jr; Charles was not prepared to stay around and win the proper World Light Heavyweight Championship.

So although Charles has the making of nearly the finest resume the 175lbs have seen, I can not put him above career or long time Light Heavies like the Moore's, Loughran's, Rosenbloom's and Spinks'.

 

You gave logical reasons for your choices ,but O Brien at 19?
You do know that when Burns beat him both were inside the LH limit?
Further more if you don't think Charles did enough at the weight [perfectly acceptable],OBrien ,never defended the title he took from an ancient Fitz, and was twice kod by Middleweight Ketchel.

 

"Great minds" :good:good:good

 

I'm English so I like Mills but he was kod by Marshall ,but still got a shot at a fading Lesnevich , he made good in the return match ,only to be dominated by Maxim yet you have Mills two places above Maxim?
Michaczewski doesn't belong in the top 25,imo, putting him above Conn,Jones,Johnson,Lewis,Maxim ,to name a few ,isnt justified,imo.But Its your list.

 

1. Archie "The Old Mongoose" Moore.

2. Bob Foster

3. Gene "The Fighting Marine" Tunney.

4. Ezzard "Cobra" Charles

5. Michael Spinks