The Madrigal Of The Krusher: His Fistic Syncopated Polyphonic Symphony Of Destruction.

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  1. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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  3. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Damn I must of laid out a damn good argument, none of the haters have attempted to discredit me.:D
     
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    latineg user of dude wipes Full Member

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    they will regroup and attack a weaker thread :p
     
  5. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Maybe this thread scared them.:yep
     
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  6. Koba

    Koba Whimsical Inactivisist Full Member

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    The thread title alone probably had many figuring they were out of their depth, Chris.:lol:

    Good thread by the way, and yeah I've been thinking along similar lines - not that I'm writing Andre off by any stretch - but Kovalev does bring something different, his movement for one, but more importantly flashes of creative brilliance in the ring... the KD2 against Agnew was a thing of beauty for instance.
     
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  8. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I didn't know you could plagiarize someone by explaining a technique that's used by multiple fighters in a much larger article talking about how I personally think Ward and Kovalev will play out, is that copyrighted? Did he invent it? Did he tell GGG how to do it? No he didn't.

    And no I didn't, the only thing in my article that's similar is the beat, half-beat, beat that you could say was inspired by that video, that I saw after it was posted on here about a year ago, the rest is all mine.

    I've mentioned multiple times in the past on here how important rhythm was in a match, for example I picked K9 Bundrage to beat Carlos Molina back in late 2014 on here because I knew Molina relied on breaking a rhythm and unlike Lara, Chavez, Kirkland and Smith who have an identifiable rhythm, K9 didn't, and I recall explaining it to someone after the fight that night as to why it went the way it went..

    I'm a musician I play guitar and bass, I used to be able to play piano, I was in a dinky metal garage band that never went anywhere, I excelled in my music class in high school and I also was a gifted art student, I've always been fascinated by rhythm in music and how it correlates to rhythm in boxing. Did that guy mention anything about polyphonic syncopated rhythms and textures in classical music by the way? No he didn't. There's an entire thread in the Lounge dedicated to classical music, which is largely filled with my posts, as well as a rock/metal thread and a dance/new wave thread, and both of those genres of music rely on syncopated rhythms. So that was my main inspiration for this article, and also the reason why I picked Kovalev to beat Hopkins back in late 2014 and I mentioned back when it happened that he'd outbox him, and in a similar fashion to Calzaghe which I was mocked for, but I didn't go into details on that post as to why I thought that.
     
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  9. CST80

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    :yep

    I personally love the visual of KD1, like a charging bull coming in to gore the matador.
     
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  10. Farmboxer

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    Great read.................
     
  11. Lazar

    Lazar Boxing Addict Full Member

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    An idea doesn't need to be copyrighted for someone to steal it and pass it off as their own. Please don't draw straw-man arguments.

    So it did inspire you? The "beat, half-beat" IS the MEAT AND POTATOES of the entire work. Without it, your article stand on nothing. You tried to pass it off as your own. Musical instruments is the FLUFF you just added to the original idea.

    At least you did admit the video was the "inspiration".

    Look man, I liked your article, a great read but the credit needs to given where it's due.
     
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  12. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    Nice summary CST :deal
    I like the review but I still see this as a 50/50 fight. As you pointed out Ward is smart and looks to break up the flow and timing of his opponents and I don't think the Krusher has faced anyone, outside the old Bhop, who is still fresh , prime and has that tactical mind set.

    Again the focus and power of Krusher scares the shzit out of me as does his "Kill Em All" attitude :shock:

    This is going to be the FOTY:deal:thumbsup
     
  13. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Who the f*** is passing the idea off as their own? I never said I came up with the idea, did I? Is everybody that explains Mayweather as a slick counter puncher with impeccable defense stealing the idea and passing it off as their own? Get the f*** outta here with that bull****. I spent the majority of the article talking about Ward being a rhythm breaker and how he f***s up the rhythm of his opponents. And the one guy that gave him trouble was Bika who screwed up his ability to break said rhythm due to his unorthodox rhythm and Kovalev will screw up his ability to break rhythm as well. That is the "meat and potatoes" of the article.

    And no that video didn't inspire me, I came up with the idea after rewatching Herrera-Garcia a few weeks ago before the Gomez-Herrera match, and thinking about how similar Herrera was to Ward in many ways. And how Gomez's somewhat unorthodox style would be too much for Herrera and he'd beat him and clean whereas many others failed.

    Where in that video does this guy break down all of Ward's wins and why he won the matches? Where does he talk about footwork and shifting? Where does he talk about volume and how that can throw an opponents rhythm off? If you don't know Boxing and Boxers have rhythms they stick to then you're not a very intelligent Boxing fan, that guy didn't come up with anything but noticing the slight pauses inbetween GGG's shots.

    Take your straw man and stick it up your ass. When I write my article breaking down Calzaghe's style and rhythm in a few weeks what are you going to do, come along and tell me I'm plagiarizing Enzo Calzaghe, since he was a jazz musician and that played a role into teaching Joe his style? **** you.
     
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  14. CST80

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    Thanks for reading it Jay, I appreciate it.:thumbsup
     
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  15. RacingBeat

    RacingBeat Casual lives matter Full Member

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    Good read, I'm a drummer myself so also enjoyed the musical ****ogy.

    Makes me want to go back and watch the Pascal fight again, watching the 2nd one I remember at times seeing Kov make those mid-air jazz like adjustments to Pascal's unpredictable movement.

    Deceptively quick/twitch with the punch selection, driven by confident self-awareness of the distance and opening on the opponent.

    Yes that is a lot scarier than a fighter who is staying in the comfort zone of repetitive rhythm no matter how good they throw the punches. It's the mental side of Kov that's going to make the difference