The Manny Pacquiao deception, Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez II

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  1. AlisJab

    AlisJab I crush homers Full Member

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    I've had many requests to do this video series, and I had planned on it anyways. So right now we will take an in-depth look at the Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez II fight.

    Remember, watch all parts or don't watch any. Take your biased opinions out of it one way or the other. Thank you!

    - Associated Press:114-113 Marquez
    - Joe Santoliquito:115-112 Marquez
    - Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-113 Marquez
    - Darius Ortiz, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
    - Eric Raskin, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
    - Brian Kenny, Friday Night Fights:115-112 Marquez
    - Scott Mallon, Ring Magazine / Boxing News / The Fist / Boxing Digest:114-113 Marquez
    - Yahoo Sports:115-112 Marquez
    - Fight News.com:115-112 Marquez
    - Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review Journal: 114-113 Marquez
    - Norm Fraunheim, Arizona Republic:114-113 Marquez
    - Rich Marrotta, Top Rank TV:114-113 Marquez
    - Kieran Mulvaney, Reuters:114-113 Marquez
    - DogHouseBoxing:114-113 Marquez
    - Brett Conway, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
    - Rick Reeno, ***********.com:114-113 Marquez
    - Gary Randall, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
    - Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com:115-113 Marquez
    - Bruce McTavish, International Judge:115-112 Marquez
    - Francis Ochoa, Philippine Daily Inquirer:114-113 Marquez
    - Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com:114-113 Marquez
    - William Detloff, The Ring Magazine:115-113 Marquez
    - Ron Borges, TheSweetScience.com:114-113 Marquez
    - Bert Sugar:Marquez
    - Max Kellerman & Bob Papa:Marquez in both fights
    - Nonito Donaire:114-113 Marquez
    - Filipino Sports Analysts Ronnie Nathanielsz, Recah Trinidad and Ed Picson all picked Marquez.
    - Graham Houston, FightWriter.com also picked Marquez
    - Andrew Walker, eastsideboxing.com:115-114 Marquez
    - Jeff Pryor, The Boxing Bulletin:114-113 Marquez
    - Andrew Fruman, The Boxing Bulletin:114-113 Marquez
    - Lee Payton, The Boxing Bulletin:114-114 Draw

    Part 1
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0urCjYl51jc[/ame]

    Part 2
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa4GPrRs6_0[/ame]

    Part 3
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-Ez6qb8ZuI[/ame]

    Part 4
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glaJ2XmxN_8[/ame]

    Part 5
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J34mgXIuJHE[/ame]

    Part 6
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMAgR2uLxJU[/ame]


    Also see:
    The Floyd Mayweather deception:
    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=257874
    The Joe Calzaghe deception:
    http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=257300
     
    AlisJab, Oct 7, 2010
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  2. Henke67

    Henke67 One of the 45% Full Member

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    Watched this fight many times and I always score it the same - 114-113 for Marquez. A much easier fight to score than their first imo.
     
    Henke67, Oct 7, 2010
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  3. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I had it for Manny but i only watched it once, i might've confused my card up, i just kept it in my head, most people think JMM won so i'll watch it again
     
    teeto, Oct 7, 2010
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  4. johnnydrama

    johnnydrama Guest

    PAC won in a close fight. The KD's sealed the deal....even without the credit for the 2nd knock down PAC won by 2 rounds. Good fight though!
     
    johnnydrama, Oct 7, 2010
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  5. AlisJab

    AlisJab I crush homers Full Member

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    So you are claiming to be a better judge than these guys?

    - Associated Press:114-113 Marquez
    - Joe Santoliquito:115-112 Marquez
    - Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-113 Marquez
    - Darius Ortiz, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
    - Eric Raskin, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
    - Brian Kenny, Friday Night Fights:115-112 Marquez
    - Scott Mallon, Ring Magazine / Boxing News / The Fist / Boxing Digest:114-113 Marquez
    - Yahoo Sports:115-112 Marquez
    - Fight News.com:115-112 Marquez
    - Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review Journal: 114-113 Marquez
    - Norm Fraunheim, Arizona Republic:114-113 Marquez
    - Rich Marrotta, Top Rank TV:114-113 Marquez
    - Kieran Mulvaney, Reuters:114-113 Marquez
    - DogHouseBoxing:114-113 Marquez
    - Brett Conway, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
    - Rick Reeno, ***********.com:114-113 Marquez
    - Gary Randall, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
    - Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com:115-113 Marquez
    - Bruce McTavish, International Judge:115-112 Marquez
    - Francis Ochoa, Philippine Daily Inquirer:114-113 Marquez
    - Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com:114-113 Marquez
    - William Detloff, The Ring Magazine:115-113 Marquez
    - Ron Borges, TheSweetScience.com:114-113 Marquez
    - Bert Sugar:Marquez
    - Max Kellerman & Bob Papa:Marquez in both fights
    - Nonito Donaire:114-113 Marquez
    - Filipino Sports Analysts Ronnie Nathanielsz, Recah Trinidad and Ed Picson all picked Marquez.
    - Graham Houston, FightWriter.com also picked Marquez
    - Andrew Walker, eastsideboxing.com:115-114 Marquez
    - Jeff Pryor, The Boxing Bulletin:114-113 Marquez
    - Andrew Fruman, The Boxing Bulletin:114-113 Marquez
    - Lee Payton, The Boxing Bulletin:114-114 Draw

    Even the Filipino analysts picked Marquez. lol.
     
    AlisJab, Oct 7, 2010
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  6. johnnydrama

    johnnydrama Guest

    Everyone has their perception of the fight. There were also mexican media sources that scored the fight for Manny. Not everyone is BIASED just b/c they are from their own country. And this is only a list of writers who chose JMM as the winner. There are MANY other media outlets and more importantly the ACTUAL JUDGES who scored the fight for Manny. Who is anyone to say they are BETTER JUDGES than the ones who actually scored the fight?:huh The fight was compeitive but Manny won....he didn't even get credit for a KD and won. JMM had a good showing but just didn't do enough to win it unfortunately. But at least we got to see a great fight.
     
    johnnydrama, Oct 7, 2010
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  7. PNoyFightFanUSN

    PNoyFightFanUSN Larry Don't Give a **** Full Member

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    JMM. That's why I feel they really do need that third fight. Manny won their first fight aside from that stupid ass judging error.
     
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  8. rulb

    rulb ◄banned► Full Member

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    you sure you are correct with this? coz the first name is spelled wrong. its chino trinidad.
     
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  9. AlisJab

    AlisJab I crush homers Full Member

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    These are the only ones you will find who scored it for Manny:
    - Harold Lederman, HBO:115-112 Pacquiao
    - Michael Herron, eastsideboxing.com:pacquiao
    - Paul Strauss, eastsideboxing.com:pacquiao
    - Eric Sloan, Washington, D.C. examiner.com: 114-113 Pacquiao
    - Nick Alejo, PhilBoxing,com:114-113 Pacquiao
    - Hermie Rivera, PhilBoxing.com:pacquiao
    - Ken Pollitt, *****************:114-113 Pacquiao
    - Michael Nelson, The Boxing Bulletin:114-113 Pacquiao
    - John Vaci, The Boxing Bulletin:115-113 Pacquiao

    A much shorter list.
     
    AlisJab, Oct 7, 2010
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  10. AlisJab

    AlisJab I crush homers Full Member

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    AlisJab, Oct 7, 2010
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  11. rulb

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  12. Leonard

    Leonard Boxing Addict Full Member

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    recah is chino's father
     
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  13. johnnydrama

    johnnydrama Guest

    There's A LOT of folks who scored the fight in favor of Manny. Not just the list you posted above...:lol: You know that.:yep
     
    johnnydrama, Oct 7, 2010
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  14. JohnAnthony

    JohnAnthony Boxing Junkie banned

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    I scored it for Manny.

    In My Opinion Marquz and Manny if they fought 20 times around this weight it would always be a 50/50 fight.

    Why do be peopl have to be so one sided to either fighter.

    Put them together and its like a mini version of Ali Frazier. Manny will go down as the greater fighter due to overall achievement, but against each other it will always be a 50/50 fight.

    You could argue either fight was won by either fighter , they were both that close.

    Li Frazier were all 50/50 fights that could go either way. Yet Ali is ranked a lot higher due to overall achievements.
     
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  15. pahapoisu

    pahapoisu Superman! Full Member

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    I accidentally clicked on pac...
     
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