The Manny Pacquiao deception, Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez II

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  1. AlisJab

    AlisJab I crush homers Full Member

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    Based on what? lol. Marquez out landed Pacquiao in both fights..... let's be a little more realistic on this board, oh wait, that will never happen.
     
    AlisJab, Oct 7, 2010
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  2. st.anger

    st.anger Active Member Full Member

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    maybe if you add all of the punches from each round but unfortunately you score it round by round.....i had it 6 round a piece minus pac kding jmm, the right guy won!

    pac fought the 2nd if not the best ww at that time in cotto who floyd has ducked...clottey was not what you call an easy target at all and now is fighting a guy whos the main reason for floyd's retierement in margo...
     
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  3. AlisJab

    AlisJab I crush homers Full Member

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    That's what YOUR eyes saw. My eyes saw Marquez win the fight 114-113, as you see in the video series you aren't even watching.... secondly.... I usually don't put much stock into "expert" opinion, but it's overwhelming in this case homefries:
    - Associated Press:114-113 Marquez
    - Joe Santoliquito:115-112 Marquez
    - Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-113 Marquez
    - Darius Ortiz, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
    - Eric Raskin, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
    - Brian Kenny, Friday Night Fights:115-112 Marquez
    - Scott Mallon, Ring Magazine / Boxing News / The Fist / Boxing Digest:114-113 Marquez
    - Yahoo Sports:115-112 Marquez
    - Fight News.com:115-112 Marquez
    - Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review Journal: 114-113 Marquez
    - Norm Fraunheim, Arizona Republic:114-113 Marquez
    - Rich Marrotta, Top Rank TV:114-113 Marquez
    - Kieran Mulvaney, Reuters:114-113 Marquez
    - DogHouseBoxing:114-113 Marquez
    - Brett Conway, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
    - Rick Reeno, ***********.com:114-113 Marquez
    - Gary Randall, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
    - Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com:115-113 Marquez
    - Bruce McTavish, International Judge:115-112 Marquez
    - Francis Ochoa, Philippine Daily Inquirer:114-113 Marquez
    - Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com:114-113 Marquez
    - William Detloff, The Ring Magazine:115-113 Marquez
    - Ron Borges, TheSweetScience.com:114-113 Marquez
    - Bert Sugar:Marquez
    - Max Kellerman & Bob Papa:Marquez in both fights
    - Nonito Donaire:114-113 Marquez
    - Filipino Sports Analysts Ronnie Nathanielsz, Recah Trinidad and Ed Picson all picked Marquez.
    - Graham Houston, FightWriter.com also picked Marquez
    - Andrew Walker, eastsideboxing.com:115-114 Marquez
    - Jeff Pryor, The Boxing Bulletin:114-113 Marquez
    - Andrew Fruman, The Boxing Bulletin:114-113 Marquez
    - Lee Payton, The Boxing Bulletin:114-114 Draw

    Yeah, I'd say you saw a different fight than the rest of us.
     
    AlisJab, Oct 7, 2010
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  4. johnnydrama

    johnnydrama Guest

    A lot of folks had PAC winning both fights. PAC inflicted a lot more damage in both fights and he scored A LOT More KD's as well. Landing more doesn't ALWAYS mean that will win you the fight. But it definitley helps.

    But getting folks to be more "REALISITIC" on here is definitely a pipe dream!
     
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  5. AlisJab

    AlisJab I crush homers Full Member

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    You are a Floyd Mayweather hater, and a Pacquiao apologist, dually noted when I read your opinions.

    See I'm a boxing fan who thinks Floyd is a cherry picker, a very talented one, and that Pacquiao lost to Marquez twice, but Pac-Man is the #1 p4p fighter right now. So I have no biased opinion when discussing Manny or Floyd, you do, so what you type, means nothing to me other than 1-2 minutes of my life I have to waste responding to your fanboy remarks.
     
    AlisJab, Oct 7, 2010
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  6. mking

    mking Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Who cares! cant turn back time.
     
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  7. AlisJab

    AlisJab I crush homers Full Member

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    So says the guy with Hagler and Leonard in his avatar. One of the most disputed decisions ever. Good one.
     
    AlisJab, Oct 7, 2010
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  8. st.anger

    st.anger Active Member Full Member

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    thats the rest of boxingfans?....lol.....
     
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  9. AlisJab

    AlisJab I crush homers Full Member

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    Please tell me you aren't that dense. Yes, the boxing community is littered with Floyd apologists, Floyd haters, Manny apologists, and Manny haters. Let's see what a bunch of biased fans think about the outcome of a fight over the thoughts of unbiased fans and a majority of unbiased analysts. Good one.
     
    AlisJab, Oct 7, 2010
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  10. BodyBlaster

    BodyBlaster Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Marquez won both fights IMO. The 2nd one was close but clear win, 1st fight I can only give Pac one round other than the 1st.

    Marquez is/was a brilliant, brilliant fighter. Come forward fighters like Pac are made for his counterpunching. Mayweather was a bad style match for Juan.
     
    BodyBlaster, Oct 7, 2010
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  11. AlisJab

    AlisJab I crush homers Full Member

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    See personally I really don't care what the voting results end up being on here, I put that there so I can see who exactly I can put on my list of fanboys here. Any unbiased analyst or fan who didn't get caught in the moment knows that Marquez won, and the point of this thread is to educate the fanboys who want to perceive Manny Pacquiao as a guy who craps thunder and spits lightning. Manny is the best fighter in the world, and the most exciting, and the fact that he did actually lose to Marquez doesn't change that for me. It just made me have that much more respect for Marquez.
     
    AlisJab, Oct 7, 2010
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  12. mking

    mking Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :good
     
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  13. Leonit

    Leonit Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't care so much about the result People will remember that JMM put a great fight that defined his career anyway. The match was so ****ing close
     
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  14. johnnydrama

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    I love FLOYD!:lol: Not so much who he is outside the ring but I'm a fan of the man and his ability in the ring. Don't get it twisted! You just are dangling from Floyd's nuts so anything that isn't a positive comment about Floyd you get all emotional.:rofl

    You can "THINK" JMM beat Manny twice. But that doesn't make it reality kid. It is what it is. Just like some think JLC beat Floyd the first time. I don't but it was a close fight and I can't knock those who believe Floyd SHOULD have 1 loss.

    I don't have a bias view on PAC vs Floyd. I know both have certian qualities that will present problems for one anther. The biggest and most telling factor is Floyd's unwillingness to fight. His confidence seems to be at a lower level whenever PAC's name is brought up as a potential opponent. When a fighter as confident and cocky as Floyd begins to show signs of concern....and that concern renders him unable to make a fight...you gotta question whether or not he's confident in the win.

    Still...it won't be an easy fight for who ever wins but I gotta lean towards Manny b/c Floyd seems to think PAC's chances at giving him his first offical loss is pretty high.

    Don't take yourself so seriously kid. You only come off like one of the fanboys you seem to dispise.:lol:
     
    johnnydrama, Oct 7, 2010
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  15. AlisJab

    AlisJab I crush homers Full Member

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    Anyone who wants to see this moron who can't even spell words like "certain" "official" "despise" etc etc right, and see him exposed. Go to his profile and look at his posts about Mayweather in other threads. He's a Money May hater with his lips so stuck on Manny's dick it would take the jaws of life to pry him off.

    Interesting, you call me a "kid", well, if being in your mid 30's is a "kid" I'd like to know what you would consider someone who uses smiley faces on the internet, and can't spell words like certain, official, and despise properly. You clearly are 3 tires short of a full set on your "car".

    Also, why don't you look up some of the threads on Floyd Mayweather that I've made? How about the one where I titled it "Floyd Mayweather is a *****" (think it got removed).

    Don't pretend you know me, and my opinions, because you don't. I know yours. I made the Floyd Mayweather deception video series on the Castillo fight, must have been pulling on Floyd's dick saying Castillo beat him in their first bout.

    You are a pathetic low life piece of **** scumbag who should just let Manny squeeze off a huge load in your throat so you choke to death on it.
     
    AlisJab, Oct 7, 2010
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