The Manny who beat Cotto vs the Margo who beat Cotto

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  1. horst

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    Manny Pacquiao 2009
    - Weight 144lbs
    - The man who dropped Cotto and dominated him en route to a 12th round TKO victory


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    Antonio Margarito 2008
    - Weight 147lbs
    - The man who ground Cotto down and stopped him in the 11th round



    Who would win?

    I'm having difficulty deciding on this one, and would appreciate some ESB analysis.

    Margarito has considerable height and reach advantages on Pacman, and would have a significant weight cushion on the night.

    Pacquiao has superior speed and skills.


    Would Margarito be able to back Pac up and unload on him the way he did with Cotto as the fight wore on? If that happened, Pac would be in trouble as Margo is heavy-handed and so big and strong for a welter.

    But Pac is faster, smarter, and has better movement than Cotto, so he may be able to avoid being trapped on the ropes or in a corner. Margarito failed to take Mosley's punches, would Pac get to him late on as well, through sheer volume of clean, hard shots?


    There are many questions to consider here.


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  2. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Another one that would've struck most of us as insane a couple years ago. Now, I'm thinking though it'd be a grueling night for Pac, that he has the movement and athleticism not to be walked down and the ability to outpoint Margo. It'd be extra tough, because he wouldn't back Margo up at all and he couldn't really take any breathers because he'd either have to be punching or bicycling. No matter your opinions on Margo, a volume punching, iron chinned guy with superior stamina is always going to be a rough night, even if you can completely outclass him.
     
  3. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Its a different fight...Margarito gets better as the fight goes on and is a huge welterweight, as opposed to just an average sized one who gasses like Miguel.

    But I still think Pac is probably just the right combination of fast, slick and conditioned to outland Tony by a fair margin on the way to a clear decision.
     
  4. Sweet EP

    Sweet EP Jab & Move Baby! Full Member

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    Can Margarito use loaded gloves? Or is he going to make it a table ladders and chairs match? I can't look at his record without thinking he may have cheated so many times before.
     
  5. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Pacquiao wins for sure over here. He would do the necessary clinching and spoiling, not to mention he has the footspeed, agility, overall class, and durability to negotiate and withstand the task swimmingly. The Margarito who fought Cotto isn't much different from the De La Hoya who fought Pacquiao, although Margarito would let his hands go alot more. Margarito would connect here and there, but it wouldn't be enough. Pacquiao might even have a ****ing festival. It wouldn't be good for Margarito's health to walk in on a fighter as fast and explosive as Pacquiao all night. No how.
     
  6. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Are you being sarcastic about Margo being about the same as the ODLH who fought Pac? Because I honestly can't tell.
     
  7. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Not whatsoever. Use your eyes. There's a good goddamn reason De La Hoya couldn't let his hands go. Pacquiao either wasn't there, or was driving hard stiff punches from all angles into De La Hoya's head and body. At every point. Pacquiao is still part of the equation. Cotto is still part of the equation. Don't you worry yourself too much over De La Hoya and Margarito. They still need counterparts. This isn't basic addition, son. This is sacred geometry.
     
  8. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    It was a ****ing cakewalk for Mosley. And Mosley did it on old legs.
     
  9. safc1990

    safc1990 Goodbye Bolo :( Full Member

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    I think Pacquiao would win pretty comfortably, think he moves in and out far too quickly for the ponderous Margarito and won't tire down the stretch like Cotto did. Pacquiao by wide decision or a late accumulation stoppage.
     
  10. horst

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    I agree that Pac could do it, but I'm not sure about comparing the Margarito of the Cotto fight with the Oscar of the Pac fight. Margarito seemed far stronger and more aggressive, not to mention hungrier and more determined. I also agree that Oscar's condition that night is often horribly overstated and exaggerated on this forum, most Floydettes make out as though Oscar was carried to the ring in a bodybag and tipped out onto the mat, but I still don't think he was in a comparable condition to Margo. For me Oscar was past-prime and had lost the venom in his punches and the aggression/belief that he had at his best (much the same as he was in the Mayweather and Forbes fights). By contrast, Margarito was a man at the peak of his powers, mentally and physically. Though of course this statement throws up the issue of the cheating once again. Was he really that good that night, or were his punches crunching Cotto's features because they were loaded?
     
  11. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Pure hogwash. Margarito was at his peak 8 YEARS ago the night he fought Antonio Diaz. The Margarito who fought Cotto was a mummified relic of Margarito at his prime. Don't let the result of that fight fool you. This is the problem with some of you cats. You think there has to be this linear generic chart to fights and fighters. IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT. Now go ahead and tell me George Foreman was at his peak when he beat Michael Moorer. :rofl
     
  12. icyhush

    icyhush What's on your mind? Full Member

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    handwraps :) just joking i think that was margo's best performance and it was not Pac's best.
     
  13. hooligan

    hooligan Millionaire Bum Full Member

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    loaded or unloaded....margo would not hit pac flush...unless pac fights dumb like he did with cotto....
     
  14. NeckBreaknAiken

    NeckBreaknAiken Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :deal

    Been saying this for a while, only to be laughed at.


    Margarito was a beast, and lost a lot of his prime trying to land big fights against a lot of people (not just Floyd), only to be sent to the back of the line.
     
  15. horst

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    To compare the 2008 Margarito with a 45-year-old Foreman is dire. Margarito was great against Diaz sure, but he was pretty poor against Daniel Santos back then as well. Was Antonio Diaz as good a fighter as Miguel Cotto? Nope. I suppose what you are rather badly trying to express is that Margarito's physical peak was earlier. Fair enough p-o-v. However, his best performance was the Cotto fight. Much like Bernard Hopkins's physical peak was probably around 1997, his actual peak was around 2001, when he had matured and gained vital experience. Many fighters produce their best performances once they are past their physical prime years. Morales is another example. His physical peak was probably in the late 90s, but his best performance was vs Manny Pac in '05. Joe Calzaghe's physical peak was probably around 2000-2003, but his best performances were against Lacy and Kessler in 2006-7. Margarito was the same. :good