The Men Outside Of The Ropes Who Ruined Careers Inside Of The Ropes

You beat me to it, froch is in super 6, if it were not for the tournie he would be screwed, no tv deal and no top opposition (bar bute) as they all compete in the super 6.

Murray and Barker have both missed out of meaningful fights and are probably scratching around for money, due to lack of fight revenue and both are falling off the radar in terms of popularity. Hennessey is having a 'mare. Useless fat wanker should quit promoting as he is wasting his boxers primes...

 

Drugs and pies did more damage...

 

Tyson was ruined by D'Amato, who if he really wanted to be a father to Tyson, should of helped sort out his personal demons first, even if that meant sacrificing the boxing.

As for Liston, due in part to his connections, he did get the World title...

 

Roy Jones Jr was ruined from showing his true potential by his dad's soft matchmaking. Even when junior got rid of his father, he still kept that little bit of caution, that led to legacy changing fights being avoided.

Which was even more frustrating for his supporters, because most (all) of the matches he avoided, he would of been favoured to win.

 

And Tyson, due in part(a huge part) to Cus, won the title at the youngest ever age.

Cus ruining Tyson???atsch
Tyson was in a correctional facility when Cus met him.Tyson was in constant trouble as a young youth, and a mean dude of the street, who would he been imprisoned for life, or killed had he not met Cus.
Maybe forgiving and showing Tyson love, was the best way to control him and his personal demons.
D'Amato didnt ruin Tyson, yes he forgave indiscretions, its what fathers do, and Tyson didn't get into much trouble there did he.

Don King/Robin Given is what ruined Tyson, they took away all his trust in people, that it had taken Cus years to put there.:deal

liston won the World title, because he was by far the best heavyweight around. He didnt get his shot until long overdue, because of who his mob handlers were.:deal

 

Reading back though some old mags, it was clear even then (85), everyone could see that Tyson was an accident waiting to happen, and the D'Amato was cashing in on his undoubted phenomenal talent.

If D'Amato really wanted to help Tyson, he would of seen the strain of being of even just an ordinary pro boxer was clearly too much for Mike. Tyson himself talked of the pressures at the time.

This is not hindsight, Tyson had a personality not suited to pressures of fame that his talent brought. He was always going to release these pressures the only way he knew how; outside the ring, violently.

Sure Gibbons and that Mother in Law hardly helped matters, but by that time it was already too late.

If Cus D'Amato truly wanted to be a proper father figure to Tyson, he would of picked up on these things. Instead the old man choose to ignore the evidence, and add one final bit, to his excellent boxing legacy...

And just one minor note, that most people do not realise:

Although Tyson was indeed the youngest Heavyweight title holder, he was slightly older (Three days shy of his 22nd Birthday), when he won THE World Championship (against Spinks), than when Floyd Patterson won THE World Championship, when beating Moore (Patterson being 35 days shy of his 22nd Birthday).

So Mike Tyson was NOT THE youngest Heavyweight Champion of the World, Patterson was...

Liston had the most powerful promotional team of the era, he got a shot so late, because D'Amato rightly steered Patterson well away from Liston. And the public was not interested in having such a shady character on top of the sport.

 

wasn't it billys dad that wouldn't let him fight again as it would effect the multi million dollar law suits. this is what ultimately led to his depression, alcholism and untimely death??

i think estelle Taylor ruined dempseys career, he went fat and soft in hollywood for three years then came back and lost a fight to tunney he was well capable of winning. bitches, cant live with em......

 

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Would i be wrong in saying tommy gilmour with a few scottish boxers? only seems in it for the quick buck for me doesnt seem to want to look after his fighters long term

 

Naz would've beaten Bartera at his featherweight against 122 Marco IMO

but the Barrera that actually beat Hamed beats any version of the Prince. Awkwardness and freakish power no doubt, but Barrera was a beautiful boxer at his technical peak. Their aren't two many feathers I'd favour over him to be honest, let alone Naz. But he was a more unhinged animal below that in terms of the exchanges he would get involved in. Not a good idea against an in-form Naz, but then again, Barrera is smart as ****: maybe he always would've taken a more disciplined approach against Hamed and beat ten shades of **** outta him?

I'm rambling...

 

I think a tip-top Naz would've done him but who knows!!!

 

no version of naz wud beat barrera imo.

 

I don't think Naz beats any of the awesome foursome, Barrera, Pacquiao, Morales, Marquez.

I'd say at feather his best chance would be against Pacquiao, as daft as it might sound.

Marquez could do what Barrera did, i.e. counter punching masterclass, Morales would outbox and outfight him (would be the most one-sided matchup).

 

Pacquiao was a counter punchers dream at featherweight, and he would have walked onto a huge left imo.

Barrera was just awesome that night, to beat him, you need to hit him with volume, something Naz had not done since the second or third round of the Robinson fight, cos he turned into a showboating lazy ****, so I dont see him beating Barrera.

Marquez is a notoriously slow starter, and Naz had the power to take him out early, also his chin has a massive question mark over it in my opinion, and he really struggled to pick the left handed haymaker agaisnt pacquiao, against Naz that would have been goodnight.

Morales would have outboxed Naz like he did Pacquaio in their first fight, but as soon as he decided to Balls up, he would have balled it up, for instance going soutpaw in the last round, cos if he got caught cold by Naz, it was goodnight vienna.

So Imo, Naz would have had most problems against Barrera and Morales.

 

enzo calzaghe and enzo macrenelli...

enzo mac deserved a trainer that knew his stuff...for me enzo calzaghe didnt...
i'll never know how calzaghe had such a sucessful stable of boxers at one point....not because of him...but despite him...