The men who beat Winky.

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    As a professional he lost to Paul Williams, Bernard Hopkins, Fernando Vargas, Harry Simon and Julio Vasquez - most of them close decisions and all of them competitive.

    During his amateur career - spent entirely at light welterweight - he lost to four men (or seven, depending on who you ask). I only know the identities of a couple.

    When he was 17 years old he lost a split decision to a United States Marine named Jesse Lucero (who never turned pro himself). That same year he lost on points to Terron "The Tramp" Millett - who would later hold an IBF world title and trade knockdowns with Zab Judah and Sharmba Mitchell in shootouts. Both ultimately stopped Millett, as did Arturo Gatti.

    At 18 he met Stevie "Lil But Bad" Johnston. Some sources claim he lost a 4-1 decision. This clearly shows him winning a 4-1 decision:
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    (This is weird to watch; his style is so different from what it would evolve into...and he's so damn little. It's amazing that just a few months later he'd tack on a dozen pounds to turn pro at light middleweight and never look back, with the exception of one bout at the welterweight limit...)

    So either they met twice in 1990 and split a pair (with each coincidentally winning by the same margin) - or those sources claiming he lost simply got it backward.

    In any event, we know of two men to definitely beat him in his teens. His amateur record is usually given as 52-4, but has also been cited elsewhere as 65-7.

    Either way, we're missing some information. Who if anyone besides Williams, Hopkins, Vargas, Simon, Vasquez, Millett and Lucero can make a verifiable claim to have officially defeated Winky in a boxing ring?

    Is his overall lifetime boxing record (amateur & professional) 103 wins, 9 losses and a draw - or closer to 116-12-1? :think
     
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  2. compukiller

    compukiller Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Winky is a very underrated fighter, shame his career stalled after the Hopkins fight.

    He should have been the lineal 160lb champ, but they robbed him by giving Taylor a draw!:deal
     
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  3. sportofkings

    sportofkings Boxing Junkie banned

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    they didnt rob him, in a fight as close as taylor vs Wright, you can never call a draw a robbery:good
     
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  4. Peril

    Peril The Scholar Full Member

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    He was robbed against Vargas that's for sure.

    To be honest, Winky could have been undefeated if he was as lucky as Floyd.
     
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  5. sportofkings

    sportofkings Boxing Junkie banned

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    When was Floyd luck apart from the first Castillo fight?:huh

    (De la hoya fight was a fair decision anyways)
     
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  6. compukiller

    compukiller Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That fight really wasnt close, the HBO cheerleaders for Taylor made it seem like it was.

    Winky won that fight 8-4, clean UD. He outlanded Taylor and was the man moving forward for most of the fight.:deal
     
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  7. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Winky aint no Money Poochtard! :patsch DONT BE IGNINT!
     
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  8. kopejh

    kopejh Guest

    actually Winky beat Vargas.
     
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  9. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    Vargas beat Winky in a close fight despite people calling it a robbery. On esb every close fight is a 'robbery'. I can see a winky win, or a draw, or a vargas win.... its a close fight.

    Just imo.
     
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  10. Concrete

    Concrete Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It was close in the aspect that Winky should have won on all 3 judges cards by a round or 2. Should have got the edge vs Taylor to.
     
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  11. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    His pro losses to vasquez, hopkins and williams were correct decisions. I felt he won the others.

    His amateur career wasn't too impressive because he failed to turn pro with a bang and was still away from him his unbeatable style he'd later perfect.
     
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  12. Zacker

    Zacker Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Strefa has a few records from that time. Winky lost to Shannan Taylor (Australia) in the quarter finals of the president's cup in the 1989. Shannan lost the final to a certain Konstantin Tszyu, 5-0.
     
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  13. Zacker

    Zacker Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This.
     
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  14. W1LLPARK3R

    W1LLPARK3R Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i wouldn't call his losses to williams, hopkins or simon "competitive"...he clearly lost those bouts.
     
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  15. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I had him beating Simon.

    Hopkins, Williams and Vasquez clearly beat him IMO.
     
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