the method - johnny famechon

That he was and yes he did , bet you count yourself blessed to have trained with that sort of class mate , how long were you training and fighting in the states Crush ?

 

6 months or so. I'd still be there but I have a family mate. Mike came to oz and trained me for a fight to. He stayed at my house. Training and learning from him was definatly the highlight of my career.

 

Fair goes Crush family first every time but to have the likes of Futch's methods taught to you I bet you wish you had met Mike earlier in the day maybe ?

 

I met mike around my 13th fight. I often imagine what would of been if I had met him before my first. But in saying that I feel privileged to have met him and worked with him.

 

I can understand that Crush , what did your pro record end up like , I Aint taking the **** either I know you were a pro but don't know your name .

 

15-4 was unlucky with 1 or 2 decisions in my humble opinion.

 

Tidy , you had a go and won way more than you lost . What's Mike doing these days , and did ya old pops in law try to explain union to him ? Ha

 

JOSEY WALES : WROTE: Riser aint that the truth , atogerofold my dad used to be a massive fan of Jimmy Wildes career and a lot of what your wrote in your excellent post is covered in a series of books entitled " The Art of Boxing" did your trainer /Dad teach you after understanding these specific methods ? Sometimes I feel "The art of boxing" has been lost through the passing of time .
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I might have read that book somewhere along my way, but what I wrote was straight out of my trained head Josey....no plagiarism with me !

My dad (deceased) wrote a book a long time ago, which I hope to publish it in the new year 2013.(it will be called FIGHT LAURIE FIGHT! ) It is his story of being at the orphanage, learning from some of the young boxers there, who held the Method as their secret potion or golden challace to be successful in their boxing. It almost needed a funny handshake to get told how to use the Method apparantly.

The Method, as I see it, essentially, is a major risk management and strategic template/plan for a boxer. It is a tried and true methodology on what defensive strategies work. It uses age old knowledge to simply define the dangers/risks, and to pin point then, on what and how to do skills, that will embed an insurance or defence into the boxing delivery.

Expert boxers in their use of The Method, I think, continually factor the important information into their head, as their bout progresses; the mechanisms established by ROTE (Repetition of the exercises) comfortably kick in. Their risks are regularly lowered by the strategies that they employ, and in many ways, using the Method, deflates or puts an opponent on a watch, that he might not be experienced in. (Suddenly, they find themselves punching at thin air, or slamming themselves into or through the ropes due to a boxer that has ducked their punch) Method users can walk up and box, and also use an incredible amount of counter punches....

(HEY....Go to the fights now and it is a rarity to see someone duck one punch.....boxers xxx, I meant fighters, usually consider themselves and their heads as inpenetrable...how stupid.)

The Method does not limit the boxer's flexibility to include innovative ideas....though I would say, that any innovation added into the ROTE should be ROTE tested in the gym prior to the fight.

Once the Method is learnt, and is part of a boxer's practise, then improvement in skills can be made continually - by controlling and increasing the pace of the boxers movement in the bout, or by providing defensively embedded punches with more and more rapidity.

Why hasn't the Method progressed into mainstream boxing? I think that boxers do practise it slightly, and use main parts of it, perhaps unconsciously in their styles and mechanism....

What I do see are many boxer/fighters out there who get lazy, and who do not maintain their defensive stances or protective covers ----ie: they drop their leading hand below their waist...they hold their right hand to the side of their head, allowing another fighter/boxer to punch through to their chin and cause damage.

I suppose in the above paragraph, what the method does meticulously require is DISIPLINE.....you must do what the method provides as an instruction, all of the time, and not 10 percent of the time.

But you know this modern age....you cant tell these young blokes nuffin......they know it all...hahaha

Cheers fellows...

 

Mike trains fighters at Johny tocos in Vegas. I've got the father in-law watching rugby league :good

 

Mate unfortunately alot of these art forms are being lost. Let us know when you get that book published I'd love to read it.

 

You blokes don't 'speak' much; what are your feelings about boxing's current styles and progress or decline?

Do you want boxers instead of fighters? (thugs instead of tacticians...etc) ??

Is it all too farkin hard for you, so you go with the flow?

Could promoters take heed (about the loss of boxing skills in contests), perhaps prove this by issue of a survey sheet, to bums on a seat at every card and measure the need or connection to the desired audience needs for boxing skills?

Could our almighty representative organisations invent some prizes, like: Best Boxer of the night, week,month,year, with a substantial amount of cash to promote the virtue of this prize.

Could our boxing organisations declare a code of practise......a legislative deed to ensure that boxers practise a defensive code, embedded with Method skill?

Am I getting carried away.......mmm

Then again,we could all sit in our vegi patch and wait to get eaten....

 

First of all mate I wasn't implying anything was copied I just wondered if the things in books by Wilde and his trusty second and master pugilist Jimmy Driscoll ( a supporter of The local Nazerth house orphanage during the twenties and thirties ) had maybe travelled down under with the priests of the day who had taught the children in said orphanage as these " Methods " had to have been practised before hand as they were probably not made up by any one guru style man.

 

By the way atigerofold in answer to your question I think the rot set in when more power was granted to the fight promoters , they are the ones who are destroying the sport , some are open and would probably admit to not giving a flying **** about the long term effect their greed will have upon the sport but most will wax lyrical about the beautiful sport and the science of it but still serve up a pile of steaming horse **** on a regular basis promoted as a " Night if championship boxing" when in effect they promoting some poor old fat twat never was v the latest up and coming Sugar Ray Robinson who knows absolutely **** all regarding the sport let alone anything regarding the sweet science of it .

 

JoseyWales:First of all mate I wasn't implying anything was copied I just wondered if the things in books by Wilde and his trusty second and master pugilist Jimmy Driscoll ( a supporter of The local Nazerth house orphanage during the twenties and thirties ) had maybe travelled down under with the priests of the day who had taught the children in said orphanage as these " Methods " had to have been practised before hand as they were probably not made up by any one guru style man.
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Thanks for giving me this insight JW; I did not know about JimmyDriscol; will now do some more research and try to track this down. What you say is highly probable, that some key boxer attended the orphanage, and showed the kids how to not get hit by using the method, and that the kids that used it, passed it on to others.

 

A very accurate account you give Josey.....it is a sad case eh? You might say that the 'brokers' of our sport have broken nearly all of it's credibility.