The Middleweight Tournament Final

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  1. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    even though we see a very different result, very good analysis:good
     
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  2. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    I see the fight being, not boring but hardly the best fight of all time.

    I think Hagler takes the early rounds by outworking the calculating Monzon as Hagler was very rarely hit with a jab and could avoid Monzons jab and come in with his own spearing right.

    The middle rounds belong to Monzon who starts to time Hagler with the right using the jab to confuse Hagler. Monzon can use his height well here and keep it in the middle of the ring and tie up Hagler inside.

    The later rounds are good rounds as Hagler knows the fight is in the balance and he was a very very determined fighter. Hagler comes out in a special way, nothing seems to faze him. He like a ravenous Badger cornered and intent to kill the attacker. He attacks with ferocity and really really wants it. Monzon has to keep up with Hagler and struggles as Hagler really pulls it out the bag late and edges a 8-7 decision.

    Key Points

    Haglers ability to avoid a jab
    Haglers determination
    Monzons right hand and timing
    Ring Generalship by each man
    Inside work

    You can discuss the key points
     
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  3. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    Good post, basically as I see it. as Teeto, a very good tournament:good

    Don't know as much as I'd like about th Flyweights; hence why I haven't been able to contribute more fully to Sweet Pea's. I have however found the fighters being discussed interesting, it's good to 'discover' fighters you maybe hadn't before.
     
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  4. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    yeh i really like the Flyweight tournament as now i can add abit and learn heaps.

    at least most people have seen all the great MWs
     
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  5. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Yeah there are a few of us in agreement here on this one, good. You are pretty knowledgeable on the lighter greats though, Flea, modest ****!

    Anyway, i'm off now lads, seak to you later or tomorrow maybe.
     
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  6. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    Well the ones I know about I KNOW about.

    The ones I'm not as aware of I have only brief knowledge on. Which is why I always thank the likes of Sweet Pea for sharing knowledge, it can only make the discussions more intense if other posters have more knowledge:good
     
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  7. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    Monzon UD. By the middle rounds I see him doing a better job of establishing his jab, frustrating Hagler with his defense, timing the right hand, and tying him up whenever Marvin gets close.

    10-5 or 9-6 decision.
     
    the cobra, Sep 5, 2009
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  8. Dave's Top Ten

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    Hmmm, while I wouldn't argue too strongly that Hagler could win (I struggle to split these two), I just don't see Hagler getting pinned on the end of a jab. Which fight in Hagler's career was he ever on the end of a jab? His soutpaw style made that particularly difficult and he was particularly adept at avoiding the left hand. If anyone's going to have success with a jab in this fight, it's Hagler, and if Hagler were to win then that punch would be the key.

    It'd be Monzon's right that would win it, and make Hagler tentative, if Monzon was to come out on top.
     
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  9. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is a tough one, as everyone seems to agree.

    Purely on their records, Monzon was more consistent but Hagler was more devastating with quicker KO wins. I think Hagler is faster and stronger and a quite a bit more mobile. His Southpaw stance should also theoretically cause the straight punching of Monzon's some form of difficulty. Both have equally great chins. but i think that the lateral movement of Hagler, combined with his speed is enough to win this one.
     
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  10. Axl_Nose

    Axl_Nose Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Monzon beats Hagler .. Monzon might have a problem with a slick boxer as in Roy Jones, but i see him handling Hagler over the distance, maybe by 4 or 5 rounds ..

    As for Bernard Hopkins, he reigned in one of the weakest Middleweight divisions in history, he made his name beating Trinidad who wasnt a Middleweight. He was involved in the 'scam' of the De La Hoya fight, he was beaten twice by Jermain Taylor who would be fairly easy meat for a top Middleweight .. Hopkins will never appear in the same category as Hagler and Monzon, apart from in the warped scribblings of his ultra die-hard fans .....
     
    Axl_Nose, Sep 7, 2009
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  11. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    bump it up

    got till friday
     
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