The Moon-Galaxy Rivalry

teeto · Aug 21, 2009

GPater11093 said: ↑

i agree Teeto i just think theres a chance Rose can get it a slight one though.

I rate Rose higher than most though and he was alot bigger than Jofre.
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Yeah Rose is a great great fighter and has a chance undoubtedly. Most intimidating bantam i;ve seen ever!

GPater11093 · Aug 21, 2009

nah most intimaidating bantam is olivares the guy looked crazy and he was a huge puncher. very scary stuff.

jofre would be hard to beat at long range but if anyone has a chance its Lionel

teeto · Aug 21, 2009

I meant Rose is intimidating as in, on the way down to the ring, he looks probably more intimidating just by his eyes than Tyson does in a ringwalk! And then when the robe comes off the man is a monster, a beast.

GPater11093 · Aug 21, 2009

yeh he is a beast. he looks like a man fighting a boy when you see him

AlFrancis · Aug 23, 2009

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For me these two fights encompass one of the best rivalries of the little weights.

I re-visited these two fights after McGrain posted his 'Fenech vs Zarate TD 4' thread; he said on that thread that he felt it was a letdown that the fight stopped early, that he saw something in Zarate and that he would've liked to have seen more, whatever the outcome.

For me, this immediately brought to mind the first Khaokor Galaxy and Sung Kil Moon fight.

For the first few rounds Moon employs some very good and well-thought out aggression; he cuts off the ring regularly, and Galaxy is merely pawing with his jab.

Something that really impresses about Moon is that when out of range he will swing a wild hook from distance (similar to Jofre) which takes Galaxy's attention away from his fast foot movement which brings him in to range.

In the first few rounsd Moon looks the stronger of the two, a picture completely different from their 2nd fight (more on that later) In the 3rd and 4th round Galaxy starts to stand his ground and trade with Moon, again Moon looks the stronger of the two. I particularly like the way Galaxy doubles up with a left straight and uppercut. Moon rallies back, but it's still quite a cagey affair.

The penultimate fifth round features some spirited exchanges. Here, Khaokor starts to turn Moon and get him against the ropes, but in the middle of the round Moon responds with some hellacious blows; of which Galaxy asks for more! I believe Moon briefly hurts Galaxy with about 20 seconds left; he then pushes him back to the ropes and unleashes a combination at Galaxy, who in turn uses his own strength to bull Moon back and exchange. Right at the end of the round Galaxy shows off one of his fantastic combinations; he such variety in his shots. Maybe a slightly lesser puncher compared to his Brother, but two things must be taken into consideration; one is that Khaosai never came up against a formidable presence such as Moon. Even though only 6 fights into his career he clearly possesed a solid chin. The other things is that Khaokor's punches are turned over very well and they are always solid shots; they are meant to do damage, and I feel he is a B+ puncher in terms of all-time Bantams. Around the same as say, Lionel Rose?

The stoppage is fair IMO. A bad clash of heads after a spirited exchange? It is clearly right on top of the eyelid and very deep indeed. I don't feel it was designed to give Moon, who was clearly ahead, the title and stop an emerging and resurgant Galaxy from coming back and retaining. It was just IMO.

How do you guys think this would've panned out? Do you think Galaxy had figured Moon out?

Now, the 2nd fight for me is a completely different affair. I think you can say it takes off from where the first fight ended.

Moon comes out strong but Galaxy comes right back at him. He stuns Moon briefly and constantly throws sharp but solid straight blows. One thing I really like about Galaxy is that he doesn't seem to move out of range much; he will let his opponent come into range and try and land some counters on him. If it doesn't come off, he simply uses his immense strength to push Moon away. Now, Moon himself was very strong; in fact, although I am going to wax lyrical about just what I loved about Galaxy in this fight, it is clearly not one-sided; it is very, very competitive.

Moon impresses me with his sheer will and determination. Whatever Galaxy throws at him he keeps coming. One thing then; Is Galaxy able to beat him so convincingly due to Moon being one dimensional? Or is Moon sufficiently dangerous enough to render this performance impressive still? (a mix of the both IMO)

I would like to give the 2nd round to Moon. Both fighters are busy, and Galaxy is landing some sickening body shots in the first round and using good movement. I think this is a very close round because of this. Moon lands a very good series of blows towards the end of the round after initially knocking Galaxy off balance. Moon was very busy.

As the fight goes on Galaxy starts to overwhelm Moon by turning him and pushing him away, letting off combinations on the inside and outside.

At the end of the seventh round Khaokor hurts Moon and has him pinned against the ropes. Here he shows the same instinct for finishing opponents in the corner as his brother; the same cold-eyed stare, picking the shots efficiently and every one with bad intentions. Moon shows a solid chin to stand up to these.

The 10th round is a fantastic one. I'm tempted to say it's one of my favourite rounds of all time. Khaokor is getting very confident it seems, and almost forgets who he's in there with. Backing Moon up against the ropes Galaxy briefly trades wildly.

Moon sharp shoots a straight right at Galaxy and knocks him back. Like a Shark with blood Moon is unrelenting. He punches Galaxy across the ring and has the ex-champ holding. Another series of punches has Galaxy holding again.

However; Galaxy throws a beautiful right hook at Galaxy which reminded me of the hook that Castillo felled Corrales with in their rematch (from an orthodox stance of course) a hook-cum-uppercut that enables him to perform in the last ten seconds or so. This is a very close round with both men hurt but I give it to Moon.

In the 11th Moon shows his toughness and courage, getting continuously beaten on and falling down after a seemingly endless assault on the ropes. Strangely, the Referee administers a standing 8-count shortly afterwards, even though Moon is against the ropes he doesn't seem to have been held up by them.

Another nice touch about Galaxy is his intelligence; even though he has Galaxy very hurt in the 11th he comes out for the last round 'dancing'; keeping out of range, not allowing Moon chance to snatch a late victory. It must've been hard for Moon to fathom when Galaxy was tired, as he has a way of stepping out of the action, laboriously dropping his arms before re-setting as if to say 'Oh, you again'.

Now, my card is very, very wide. How did others score it? Is Galaxy's ring generalship really as good as I make out.

It is genuinely one of the most complete Bantamweight performances I have ever seen. His ring generalship is incredible and varied.

One thing I am interested in is the build-up to both fights, especially the 2nd. Is there anything about Moon's preperation that I do not know about that may affect the way I view this performance? I'm guessing one of the well-read guys on here will have read 'Ring Magazine' from around the time.

One thing I'm very eager to find out more about is Galaxy's final match which follows the 2nd Moon fight; a fix? Galaxy's chin seemed nigh-on undentable, and he could slip blows as well as ship them. Does this fight detract from his final standing or H2H ability?

I have yet to see his fight with Vasquez, but a SD in Thailand seems vaguely dodgy. How good was this win and is it available?

Am I overrating Moon? How would you rate Khaokor H2H; does he have 'his level'? I.e are there any ATG's/Good H2H Bantams you would not fancy his chances against at all? Who is the best ATG you'd figure he could beat?

Maybe I am just high and over-hyping these fights?

All statements in Boldtype are things I would like people to comment on specifcally or at least take into consideration. 'Conversation pieces' if you will, as if these two fighters aren't enough. I am asking a lot with this I know, they're just two fights I am very interested in and I would like more information and others opinions.

If you've perservered with this :good :good :good
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Alright flea, I've finally managed to watch both fights and was it worth it? YES!
Very impressed with Galaxy. I think the first fight he came into with a bit of a lazy approach and paid the consequences when it came down to the judges scorecards.
The second fight was altogether different. He upped his workrate from the beginning and this made all the difference. Everything behind that right jab but following through with left hands straight down the pipe. Moon is more of a swarming fighter but was coming off second best when he did get Galaxy to engage on the inside. I thought that Galaxy although not a dancing master showed great footwork continually turning from Galaxy's left and right and then on the inside turning him. He made Moon look a bit clumsy at times. Very economical with his footwork and great at moving in and out of range.
It wasn't all one sided as Moon just wouldn't give up and made Galaxy work all the way but he took a hell of lot of punishment on the way in. I'd rate Galaxy a solid puncher and he never missed a chance to get those body shots in. I reckon Moon must have been sore the next day.
I will have to look at Moon's later fights to see what he learn't from this one. What a warrior, he took a lot of punishment here and went on to have a great career (Champions credentials as far as I'm concerned) so it is possible that he was a bit too one dimensional, a little inexperienced in this fight, he'd still only had about 8 or 9 fights at this point in his career I think.
I saw it wide without putting pen to paper but Galaxy always looked in control.
I was very impressed with Galaxy, there were times in the middle rounds where he reminded me of a southpaw Robert Duran specially when he was following through with those left hands off the right jab.
Gonna be watching more of these two, want to see Galaxy against a good mover and with Moon I want to see the Konadu and Roman fights.

Flea Man · Aug 23, 2009

Al; good post, and very glad you enjoyed the fights :good

Wee Greg; My new dvd's have come through so I'll be pre-occupied with them. Can sort out all the other ones now and get you a list.

:good

GPater11093 · Nov 25, 2009

righ watched the first fight of them too today

an alright fight but Galaxy was waiting far too long and had his best sucess when he let his hands go. Moon forced it throughout and seemed to land with the better shots more often.

Galaxy looked like he couldnt be arsed though. And that cut was atrocious.

anyway asnt a great fight or much with much stuff to discuss about it

Mantequilla · Nov 25, 2009

The galaxy brothers were always really methodical, especially Khaosai.Definitely an acquired taste, as far as if you will actually enjoy watching them or not.

GPater11093 · Nov 25, 2009

i think there good to watch but i have saw them box better than that.

Flea Man · Nov 25, 2009

I like that reaction to the first fight, enhances the appreciation for the 2nd fight.

His win over Vasquez (a bizarre Split Decision in Khaokors hometown) is another very impressive performance.

I don't know who the best guy is that I think Khaokor could beat? I guarantee he'd beat the **** outta Rafael Marquez, but I'm nit sure how good an opponent he could beat. He'd certainly take part in some fascinating h2h battles, if anyone outside of about ten people on here are actually familiar with him

GPater11093 · Nov 25, 2009

now i have seen a cant be arsed Kaoker and a fainting Kaoker in action the guys full of surprises.

Im looking forward to the 2nd fight.

Flea Man · Nov 25, 2009

I believe Khaokor to be better than Khaosai, whilst he lacked the stone hands of his Brother he had a wide range of punches, his form was excellent, had fairly fast hands and a good chin (him fainting is in no way indicative to the quality of his chin Greg ) and he was a solid hitter if not a barbaric one like Khaosai.

If they met at 116.5lbs, I have no doubt Khaokor would beat his brother.

Flea Man · Nov 25, 2009

Greg, if you like the 2nd fight (a true thriller) then watch Galaxy vs Wilfredo Vasquez. He has a better resume than his brother also, and I think he retired after 21 fights.

GPater11093 · Nov 25, 2009

Kaoker looks better IMO (at boxing not looks) like you say brillaint form but it does look like hes ready to kick someone, you think? that thai boxing background

would agree he is better but Khaosais punch is huge.

GPater11093 · Nov 25, 2009

i will seek out the Vasquez figth also.

One thing i noticedwas Kaoker was very strong and when he did punch he really pushed back Moon which is a tough thing to do

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