the more I think Marquez wins. Diaz gets his best work done when fighters languish on the inside. That's when he can use his hand speed and combination punching and turn to create angles. I just dont see Marquez laying on the inside and trying to exchange with him. I see Marquez throwing combinations from the outside and then stepping to the side. I may be wrong but if Marquez can fight on even ground with Pacman, I dont see how Diaz can beat him unless he gets old that night. I'm not saying Diaz can't win, I just dont see how he can yet. What do you guys think? How does Diaz win this fight? What do you think him and Ronnie will come up with? and please dont say punches in bunches cause Marquez wont allow that. If Pacman cant do that how can this kid?
It's just a bad style match-up. He's not a bad fighter, but a come forward pressure fighter with no power means Marquez counter-punchers his way to an easy decison, possibly even late TKO on accumulation, ie ref stops fight or his corner does.
I see it as exactly opposite of that...I think Diaz holds the distinct style advantage. Let me elaborate... Diaz is stronger by a good amount, faster by an even greater amount (and the way he changes speeds on his punches is a thing of beauty at times), throws at a RIDICULOUS pace, has TREMENDOUS footwork (my god has he improved in this area...), attacks from pretty much every angle possible, is equally good with both hands to the body or the head, has underrated defense for a fighter who throws THAT many punches, and has a good jab and good timing as well. JMM is his best when he can set the distance and counter (Im not trying to discount how good he is at creating his own offense either...just pointing to his main strengths). Vs Diaz, with the different angles he will see, the different speeds he will have to fight at (both dealing with Diaz's speed and the pace he will dictate), the phonebooth hes gonna find himself in at times, etc. He isnt going to be in that comfort zone of dictating distance and pace. And if he cant do that...how do we expect him to win? After watching Diaz fight Campbell, I figued I had seen the blueprint for beating the Baby Bull. You get inside, muscle him, make it a rough fight and get inside his head. I was sold on it... Then I watched the Katsidis fight. The way he used his footwork to change the leverage and direction everytime Katsidis got in close was unbelievable. Check out the clip to see what I mean (perfect example comes at about a minute into the video)... [yt]Hs_eYdV6Ctk&e[/yt] Thats when I decided to go back and watch the Campbell fight again. And I came to the conclusion that Diaz's cutman was just as much to blame for the loss as Campbell himself was. Nate fought a great fight and had a great gameplan...but once that cut opened up and the terrible way in which his corner handled it, made it impossible for Juan to win. His eye was a slit much faster than it ever should have been (remember Manny Steward BLASTING them??!!!). And the fight was STILL fairly close...clearly went deservingly to Campbell...but still close, even with that eye. And thats when I realized, bullying him isnt what won Nate that fight. Its isnt the "blueprint" to beat Juan. Its how you make him fight...make it tough. But not like Hopkins angles were against Pavlik or Shane's strenght was against Margo. And even if it was, JMM doesnt have the skillset to do that anyway. Diaz wins this one CLEARLY...maybe even stops JMM late...on accumulation starting off of one of those MONSTEROUS uppercuts he throws on the inside.
The fact that Juan Diaz cant hurt JMM with a single shot will mean that JMM is not going to be economical with his shots down the stretch. I'm seeing a nice stoppage win for JMM.....maybe even Diaz' corner throwing in a merciful towel.
Diaz does not have to hurt Marquez. He just has to keep his punch stat high for each and every round. Stronger, faster, and younger. Daiz has more than just a chance to win. Where is Rafael Marquez?
I see Diaz getting outboxed all night. I just can't see a come forward fighter really getting that much work done on Marquez. He should make him miss alot eventually wearing him down the stretch. However i hope diaz wins,a future Pac -Diaz fight would be real entertaining
No stopage for either fighter stop the madness. Lets remember how good JDiaz defense is and how good Marquez's counterpunching is. Ok Jmm will hardly innitiate an offense unless provoked and JDiaz does plenty with his huge workrate. I honestly think that Jmm will counter off these shots easily since they dont come from a distance due to Jdiaz raptor hands. Expect a close fight but a sure UD for JMM. JMM undisputed lightweight champ 09!
I see baby bull being countered all night also. without the power to keep jmm fron being agressive counter punching. jmm by landslide.
I got to laugh because I dont think you even believe what you just wrote. .....but I'll bring back this post if you're right and help myself to a good helping of crow. I dont see how you can make an assesment on how Diaz will do against JMM based on the Campbell, and especially the Katsidis fights......Katsidis especially has no value as far as assesing how JMM would do, in that Katsidis is strictly a come foward pure brawler. .....somebody who boxes a little and can put a jab to use would be made to look like a grade A boxer against Katsidis. Its night and day here my friend as far as the boxing aspect is concerned......Juan Diaz is a good boxer, JMM is a Master boxer, and thats all there really is to it. How strong Diaz is compared to JMM one can only guess....but I'm willing to guess that Joel Casamayor is physically stronger than Juan Diaz, and JMM handled Casamayor physically just fine.....in fact was the first fighter to stop Casa....... I'm not dissing your analysis, but I believe you're just dead wrong on it.....I believe that JMM will easily dictate the pace and the tempo of the fight by firing combinations as Diaz steps in..... .....come back to me if I'm wrong, but I suspect that it will get so easy for JMM that he will willingly just to send a message to everyone that surronds 135 lbs, specifically Pac.....Marquez will take the fight to the inside down the stretch and hurt Diaz to the body. What Diaz does best is fire shots with verbal noise..... What JMM does best is pinpoint shots that land with thudding accuracy. Alot of people for some reason are of the opinion that Diaz is a big lightweight......he's far from it....he's a small lightweight, who does'nt have alot of power. He weighs in at 135 lbs and walks into the ring at less than 140 lbs. JMM will actually outweigh him when they step in the ring. .....but we will see......:bbb:bbb:bbb
diaz has a chance but as you mentioned only way he wins is really if marquez gets old overnight.. we'll just have to see..