The more I revisit Calzaghe-Kessler..

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Shake, Jan 23, 2008.


  1. dan-b

    dan-b Guest

    I wish people would stop saying "so & so is the truth". It's really annoying.
     
  2. Shake

    Shake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't have an agenda -- Calzaghe is my favorite boxer at the moment, with Pavlik -- but I don't hype up my favorite fighters beyond what I honestly think of them. I do think Lacy was an athetically gifted fighter and much better than he looked in the Calzaghe fight -- it was not all Joe's class, but rather a bad styles matchup in addition to Calzaghe being a class ahead.

    For the record, I believe Hopkins would also have been a bad stylistic matchup for Lacy. Not so much Kessler, though, as he is more straightforward and would allow Lacy to fight his own fight.

    Incidentally, I believe Kessler would beat Hopkins at this point in time.
     
  3. Astola

    Astola Its a fact. Full Member

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    Well, it depends on which versions of the two. But a prime Joe against current prime Kessler. Kessler wins 3 out of ten. Kessler is that good:good
     
  4. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    I dont know ****???

    :patsch

    Hilarious. That is the first time I have ever heard that one bro...maybe you should read the other replies to my post before saying such a bold statement.

    Maybe you should go back and watch Kessler a little more OBJECTIVELY next time. Kessler is fundamentally very, very good. His mechanics are picture perfect. He has good power and accuracy. He also fights with ALOT of heart.

    But his timing is awful. Its why he falls in love with that same combo over and over again. Its why many times vs Calzaghe, he found himself unable to hit a wide open target (his strong mechanics and fundamentals allowed him to at least stay in it early). And with no head movement, bad footwork and timing, there is NO WAY he has a good defense.

    He is a quick hint...you can like a fighter....a fighter can be a good fighter....and still have flaws. Kessler is very good....BUT VERY OVERRATED! And your post proved my point...thank you.

    And I still cant believe you said I dont know **** about boxing....you are the ONLY person on this site that agrees with that one buddy. And yes, I am sure of this.

    :rofl
     
  5. Astola

    Astola Its a fact. Full Member

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    Kessler is the real deal :yep

    Kessler is better than youghurt :yep

    Kessler is a boxing god.

    Sorry dude.
    :lol:
     
  6. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    Isn't it also annoying how people in the 50's wore leather jackets? Or those damn powdered wigs in the 18th and 19th centuries. And all that Macarena dancing in the 90's. :twisted:

    Trends happen dude. You kind of need to just accept that, take a deep breath, and let your blood pressure cruise on down to about 150/90.
     
  7. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    wtf?
     
  8. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Then who do you call an A level fighter from MW to LHW?
    How would the boxing matches turn out between the B level Kessler and the your A level fighters in your opinion? Please give me your examples.
     
  9. dan-b

    dan-b Guest

    I'll vouch for you dude. I respect your opinion big time.:good

    :lol: :good
     
  10. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    Powdered wigs kick ass....Im wearing one now.





    Wait....ummmmmmm.....:lol:
     
  11. Shake

    Shake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I disagree with you on...well, Kessler, although I think we'd need to establish exactly what you're bringing him down from, as I don't see him as a future top5 P4P or anything like that, just a good champ who can reign for a few years. He's rigid, lacks fluidity and isn't as athletically gifted as most top fighters -- but I feel he copes with his deficiences well enough to reign in the 168 division.

    And I'll be the first to vouch for your boxing insight.
     
  12. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    ...and the boys they say that I'm buena
    they all want me, they can't have me
    So they all come and dance beside me
    move with me jam with me
    and if your good i take you home with me :boogie
     
  13. Astola

    Astola Its a fact. Full Member

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    Hmmm.

    Sorry if I hurt your feelings :yep

    Really? Im the only one who has ever disagreed with you? Impressive!


    Kessler has good timing. Its not up for discussion. AND he has a very sound and good defence - look at his stance and his movement. Look at more fights with him. Kessler has no head movement - yes I agree. The rest of your statements are ****.

    You obviously just dont like conventional fighters. Get over it.
     
  14. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA Full Member

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    suesbuddy, I don't think you can in good conscience say Kessler has awful timing. I know it was but one part of your overall point that Kessler doesn't have terrific defense (and that point I grant you), but you in the same breath called him very accurate, which it's very hard to be with awful timing...
     
  15. dan-b

    dan-b Guest

    :lol: I'm only 23 dude. It's just it's being over used like the now tired cry of "hater". They lose their impact.