The most over-rated so called all time great in history?

A problem with Marciano, granted the divison wasn't too strong when he was around, is that you can't really compare him to that many boxers who came after him. Just after his era came to a close heavyweights reverted to the bigger, taller, heavier men we know today.

Marciano is an oversized Light Heavyweight or an undersized Cruiserweight by todays standards. 5"10 and 184-188 lbs. You can't fantasy matchup that kind of stuff against todays boxers so it makes it very hard to say 'Marciano would have beaten ...' because if he were around later on he wouldn't have been campaigning at heavy. I'd just give him credit for what he did without going overboard but also without caning him for the fact no one else was around at that time.

I found ESPN list of top 50 all time greats.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/greatest/featureVideo?page=greatest4150

Ones I have doubts over

#39 DLH
#31 Billy Conn

Then again its late and my brain ain't working too well

 

In thelast 15 years Heard some Strange Storys about SRR and doing a bit of Digging, the Storys hold up. Its who was running Boxing at the time, if you mainlined at certain venues you were in, check what his Manager did for a living. Plus for who He was He wasnt paid a lot, suppose thats why He Boxed a lot

 

I'm pretty sure Marciano would fair well at light heavyweight or cruiserweight today or in any other era.

 

I think the would have had to invent a new division for him since he splits LHW and Cruiser so well being 10-12lbs over and under either weight respectively.

Marciano the undisputed Light Cruiserweight/Super Light Heavyweight king :huh :good

 

But then again he wasn't trying to kill himself to get an advantage like every fighter today. He probably just trained until he was ready to fight since he knew he was fighting at heavyweight. You have to think if he had the benefit of sports scientists, physios, conditioners and all this other stuff he'd have been able to make 175 quite easy. He wasn't a massively built guy.

 

Miguel Canto

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=9002&cat=boxer

Look at his record, then look at the records of the very few fighters he beat who appear to have decent records such as Vargas. Even their records are horrifically padded.

People in the classic forum are calling him the 4th best Mexican fighter of all time and a top 50 ATG.

Does anyone else see how unspectacular his resume is? Probably the best in his weight in his day, but nothing on the all time P4P scale.

 

Really bad choices as both are considered borderline ATGs at best.

Who did Chavez beat? How did he become an ATG?
Who did Ricardo Lopez beat in the weakest division in boxing to be considered an ATG?

Tszyu was so overrated that he was The Ring TOP10 rated in his weight class in his 1st year as a pro. That's unheard of! You're are looking for a superstar name on his resume? As I said before who did Chavez beat? Resume is only part of the equation.

The most overrated "ATG"? There is stiff competition for this one. A good candidate would be Carlos Zarate.

Let me put it this way. If Hamed fought in the 1960s he'd be an ATG with his resume. If there was very little video footage of him he'd be a TOP40 ATG.

 

That's with sameday weigh-ins and presumably no reason to actually cut weight though and he still weighed in in the high 170s for fights late in his career.

Marciano today with weigh-ins the day before the fight, the nutritional knowledge that we now have and actually trying to cut weight would probably make supermiddleweight fairly comfortably, nevermind light heavyweight or cruiser.

 

atsch

get the heck outta here you fool, canto is one of the most skilled fighters of all time and only behind morales, barrera, sanchez and chavez in the list of mexican greats.

have you ever seen the guy fight? do you know anything about him, his era, circumstances...or are you just one of those annoying casuals who plays resume wars. Looks like you just plucked his name outta boxrec without realising you're discrediting one of the best to ever display the science.

 

:huh The man fought in 51 fights against top ten contenders at a time when top ten actually meant top ten...no ABC titles then. He also took on 14 current Hall of Famers, I fail to see how he can actually be viewed as overrated with a record like that.

 

I don't know about ATG but he was a joy to watch...unrivalled speed, stamina, footwork and counter-punching ability...an absolute joy.

 

Apparently Canto is ahead of Morales, Sanchez and Barrera which is where my problems stems from.

He is an ATG flyweight I do not doubt that, but 90% of people in the classic forum here are putting him ahead of those names, based on him having a pretty style.

 

Bhops takes my vote the guy has been a complete bore to watch over the last few years.

 

I think ATG is just something that's throw around like P4P these days. It makes me laugh people say things like "I have him between 90 and 100 but, if he beats this guy, he moves up to 70", when they've never even ranked that many fighters.

 

I feel like a pig shat in my head.:tired