the most rational argument for defending GGG's record

You can't lower what's already low Rob. But you can go back under your alt Rob Salka and drown us with more Fluid IV threads.

 

Great, another thread.

You can defend his resume by objectively looking at his circumstances.

Is his resume great?

No. Not by a long shot.

Would it be enhanced if he could fight the likes BJS, Jacobs and Canelo?

Yes.

Do they want to fight him?

No they don't.

 

You're talking absolute nonsense.

It seems most people have got an agenda here, that's probably derived from Sanchez' comments and the deluded section of his fan base hyping him to death.

What do you mean he doesn't want to make good fights?

Where does this opinion come from?

No, he didn't rob the fans of a Ward fight.

Where does this opinion come from?

Look where both fighters are in their careers.

Look at their circumstances.

Yes, he didn't go out of his way to try and make the Ward fight. Fair enough. But did Ward go out of his way to try and make a GG fight? No he didn't. No official meetings ever took place where the specifics were discussed. Also, the guy's hardly fought in the last 3 years, and then there's the network's stance on things to consider. Boxing is a ruthless business.

Andre Ward was not begging for a GG fight, and he wasn't sat there just waiting for a call. A guy who fought Paul Smith at LHW after 19 months out of the ring, was not in a position to have fought a big fight at SMW, which was a weight he hadn't made in a long time.

Along with the other haters, you are living in a fantasy.

 

Golovstans?

atsch

 

He robbed the fans of a good fight by ducking Ward. No need to make excuses for ggg fighting the level of competition he has been. His team seems incapable of making any fights with good fighters because they are playing the boxing politics game hard.

Everything has to be perfect for their goals, their actions suggest they don't care about money or legacy. HBO protecting his 0 so they can sell/keep subscriptions is more like it, again, not for the fans.

I'm saying ggg has run out of time specifically because he's been treading water for too long wasting his supposed talent. Everybody knows this now so there's more pressure on him to make a good fight and I still doubt he can even secure a fight with CEJ. I'll believe that when I see it. I don't hate ggg, I do hate his fanboys though. I'm just demanding better from ggg, you should too.

 

The demographic repeating the same old lies again. The GGG-Ward fight could have been made, all Ward had to do was agree to a level playing field without the dice loaded in his favour for once in his whole career. Or make a counter offer of a more favourable purse split and he keeps the loaded dice. Instead, team Ward lost interest once they couldn't have their stacked deck. The demographic have simply got that used to Ward having the deck stacked on his favour for every fight that they think it's an outrage when anyone dares suggest a fair fight against him.

 

Yeah, but what about the whitographics? Now we aren't talking about the good sensible white boxing fans, just the one's who root for white fighters only. They love the fact that GG steam rolls bum after bum after bum and goes unchallenged and can brag that he's beating bum after bum while crying everyone is ducking him. That's why they are whitographics.

 

Whitographics??? Corny and lame. You failed, you gimp.

When your parents had guests over, did they chain you in the basement with a muzzle on?


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No, he really didn't rob the fans by ducking Ward.

Get real man.

Do you not follow the sport closely?

Do you know how many obstacles were needed to be overcome before that fight even had a chance of happening, that included HBO's backing?


GG's team are playing boxing politics?

Oscar doesn't want Canelo to fight him until next year.

Jacobs doesn't want to fight him until maybe next year.

Neither does BJS.


I too want GG to fight better competition, but I respect his goals and his current circumstances.

 

Who are these guys?

Give us some examples.

 

The rational argument:
Floyd Mayweather Jr is considered one of the greatest boxers of all time. He has no at-or-near prime ATG's or High/Mid level HOF's on his resume, and only has a win over around 3 elites.
Golovkin thus doesn't need to face many to be considered one of the greatest. If he fights a few elite fighters, he will definitely have proven a resume as good as Haglers if not better.
Golovkin has future fights with Canelo, Derevyanchenko and Jacobs who will certainly bolster his resume massively. Moreover, Golovkin has the option of moving up to 168lbs later in his career and perhaps unify there. In the meantime, he'll continue to gain longevity/consistency points by DOMINATING contender and fringe contender level opposition and beltholders of course, if they're man enough to fight him.
Martin Murray is the best win on his resume, at 160lbs, Murray was able to best both Sturm and Martinez and deserved wins against them. The Golovkin reign has actually only just started, it is therefore unreasonable to prematurely scrutinise his career; such an endeavour is an indication of immature bias.

 

I have seen it argued here that Ward didn't go to full LHW because he wanted to stay closer to 168 in case of a fight with GGG

Fair enough. Did Ward actually say that?


So could the opposite be true? Was the offer to Ward at 164 a way for Ward and GGG to meet in the middle, yet keep GGG close to 160 in case the Canelo fight happened? Seems plausible to me.

Of course I don't claim to know what fighters are thinking at any given time.

 

you could almost make that defense for lil g about the 164 offer

but loeffler has been quoted in the last 2 months, when talking about zurdo, that he would go to 168 and come right back to 160 after that

 

[url]http://www.***********.com/golovkins-promoter-wed-fight-ramirez-168-return-160--103548[/url]

i think you know what letters fill in the stars....to get the link

bottom of the article...last line...quote from loeffler....pretty much kills that potential argument for lil g about 164 offer