Muhammad Ali going from annoying loud mouth, to social pariah, to civil rights icon, to generational icon in the space of about 10 years ('64-'74) has to be worth something.
I never heard Dempsey was a murderer, sure i heard about pimping his wife, being a pro ****** or whatever but a murderer?, thats new.
There must be some link between being able to box well and being able to design grill technology well, its obvious.
For Germany: Max Schmeling - symbol of nazims and patriotism, later for a redeemed Germany Gustav Scholz - symbol of the economic miracle and the successful fight for survival after WW2 Henry Maske - symbol for Germany´s unity
Yeah, Oscar de la Hoya was into self promotion, but nothing on the scale and mass appeal and name recognition as George Foreman..his name just slips off people tongues...easier to say and to remember than "OSCAR DE..LA..HOYA...hell, I've heard people mistake ODLH for Oscar de la Renta...the perfume guy, lol...people that don't give a damn about boxing know the name George Foreman...that big warm and fuzzy nice ol' bald guy who sells grills..to hell with the fact that he was a 2 time heavyweight champion...they're vaguely aware of that, but they can't even concieve of the radically opposite nature and image of the original 70's version of Foreman...nobody back then would be able to even imagine how he would have reinvented himself over a 20 year period.
Look at a still of Dempsey in the ring just before the Carpentier fight...that unshaven mug of his with those deep set black eyes...the beard..hell, he looks more like a killer than he does a boxer..the meanest looking, most intimidating fighter ever before that fight. I believe that in those rough and tumble days leading up to the Willard that he was capable of it.
Foreman reinvented himself radically..in looks as well as his personna...like a P.R. advertising genius.
Foreman is the Joe DiMaggio of our era. Anybody remember Joltin' Joe's television commercials for Mr. Coffee during the 1970s? Until then, he was noteworthy for his reticence after retirement, and steadfast refusal to make commercial endorsements. Remember what life was like before automatic drip coffee makers flooded the market, when old fashioned stove top percolators were used instead? DiMaggio's 15 years with Mr. Coffee transformed our daily lives in a way his baseball career never could, and that's probably the most influential celebrity endorsement of at least the last 40 years. To a lesser extent, that's what Foreman's grills have done.
I've got to say Ali. He's everywhere and he doesn't even have the physicality to do so. You hear his voice in the background of commercials, you see his name being reinvigorated with the Ali Center in Louisville (George don't got that), and in the past few years Ali's name was bought and re-commercialized (No Mas NYC has rights to a bunch of his shirt designs). George changed his image into a money making machine. He only transcended into one area, corporatism (the art of making money at the risk of others and at the risk of your own image). George sold grills. Ali is a beacon of identity.
he probly was capable of it, easily, having to fight against guys and also against guys wanting to **** him as a teen, ge once had a 'situation' on top of a moving train i heard, he fell off or jumped off, but he said he never knew if it was a fight to the death. i.e what the other guy wanted to do to him, hurt or kill him. no doubt he was capable, but do we know for sure he was a killer,? not that ive heard. one thing between being able to and actually doing it.