The most unbeatable fighter ever..............

Damn, one name only.......

I'll do this, make a small list and eliminate:

Jones at 168
Lopez at 105
Whitaker at 135
Robinson at 147

Noone at 105 is beating Lopez, ever.

Noone at 168 is beating Jones, unless you take some MW's or fighters in the vicinity of 175 and think they'd be at their best, and then there's the generation gap with guys like Greb and Langford to decipher.

I believe Whitaker to be the best ever at 135 in a head to head sense, though others will disagree. So I'll eliminate Whitaker for this reason.

Robinson has to be considered the best at 147, even though he has more than enough competition here.

So let's eliminate those like Whitaker and Robinson, because of their competition.

It's between Lopez and Jones. Lopez could arguably have beaten any 108 pounder as well, though it gets closer with guys like Chang and Zapata there. People from around that weight could arguably beat Jones, though I simply don't see it. It's pretty much even between he and Lopez, but I'll take Lopez, as he's truly unbeatable at 105.

 

Duran @ 135...Leonard @ 147...SSR @ 147,,,Henry Armstrong @ 130lbs..Willie Pep @ 126....Ruben Olivares @ 118....Marciano and Louis @ Hvyweight but remember everyone has there KRYPTONITE

 

Awwww JT, how could you leave out willie pep at 126lb? also a shutout to joe louis of the 2nd schmeling fight, he was unbeatable that night.

 

I think this is going too far considering whitaker never beat a great lightweight. I think whitaker and Oscar are on the same level historically. oscar the best pure boxers of the 1990s and whitaker one of the best defensive fighters of all time.


at 135, Ike Williams and Roberto Duran would have clearly beaten whitaker. then whitaker has to deal with armstrong gans blackburn arguello mayweather ortiz carter ross etc etc i dont think he beats all of them

 

Whitaker and Lopez never beat great fighters at the weight in question, so how are they unbeatable?

 

What great fighters were their to beat at 105?

Also, you've stated that you consider Whitaker better than Benny Leonard, despite Leonard's clear edge in resume.

 

1910 Jack Johnson same rules, 45 rounds.

 

Whitaker and De La Hoya were nowhere near the same historically at LW. Oscar was not the best pure boxer of the 90's. That is laughable and has been discussed. You're the only one who thinks this because you're an Oscar fan and you have a bias for your fighters in general, whereas Whitaker is the only one that can be argued that I have a bias for.

Williams has a very small chance of beating Whitaker. He fought to the level of his opposition for the most part, he was a fighter who'd have had difficulties with the slicker types because they rarely made him fight, and he was content to box it out, as he was an underrated boxer. Against the pressure types, they were in his face all night, causing him to fire back and look for the oppenings for the big punches he needed to be successful. That is why I'd take him over any pressure fighter/swarmer at 135, maybe even 140. Against the slicker types, not so much.

I've argued Duran a billion times, so I won't go into that one again. But Whitaker clearly beats Williams, outboxes him.

Maybe not if he fought them all back to back, who the hell would? But at his best I'd favor him over any of them.

 

Yeah Whitaker clearly beats Carlos Ortiz, Ike Williams and Tony Canzoneri! Could you please expalin when he even remotely fought any opposition that's close to this class at 135, god you overrate the **** out of him.

 

We're talking about head to head matchups here you stupid son of a *****! Are you that ****ing thick?! Stop looking over Boxrec to give your analysis of a styles matchup. You yourself have stated that you rate Whitaker above Benny Leonard, despite the fact that Leonard has a better resume at LW and was more dominant than any of the above fighters. Explain that.

 

No really, i couldnt figure out we are talking head to head you arrogant ****. Why do you keep bringing up benny leonard, since when do i care about benny leonard.

Why would I have to look at boxrec when I have seen all of whitaker's lightweight title defences and his scrap with roger mayweather?

You always seem to make it sound like whitaker has no weakness. He beats the sluggers, the boxer-punchers, the pressure fighter/swarmers and the unorothodox fighters when the fact is that he fought the weakest competition out of all 5 of the men that have been mentioned.

 

175 is a really talented division. But the Roy Jones Jr. of the Griffin rematch was flat out scary.

 

You're acting as if that isn't relevant? You're stating that Whitaker can't be rated above those other fighters because he has a lesser resume, when you yourself have stated that you rate him above Benny Leonard. How is that possible? Answer it.

He proved himself at higher weights, even while facing the bigger, better fighters at a weight where he clearly wasn't as good. That leads me and most reasonable people to believe he'd have done even better against these types of fighters at his actual best weight.

Still, answer my first question.

 

Benny Leonard gets ranked based on the huge 'myth' that his era was the golden period and his contenders were all elite fighters, which is bull**** that guys like Bert Sugar wants everyone to believe. There isn't a single black or colored fighter on benny's resume and when I see him on film, I'm not impressed.

Tony Canzinori, Carlos Ortiz and Pernell Whitaker all have a win over an elite p4p great, something Benny Leonard lacks. There is no Benny Leonard opponent thats in my top 100, and i'm not the only one that would say this.

Carlos Ortiz won the trilogy against the slickster Ismael Laguna, who is a hall of famer. Carlos Ortiz utterly dominated the great defensive genious Nicolino Locche. Carlos Ortiz won 1/3 fights against the slick pressure fighter like duilio loi, and all 3 fights were close contests. Carlos Ortiz dominated another atg lightweight like joe brown, and how long was joe brown champ, 6 freakin years.

Ike Williams beat a handful of atg fighters, why cant he rank above benny leonard, who did benny beat? A bunch of overrated white guys that historians love to overrate?