The most unbeatable fighter ever..............

You criticise me for boxrecing, haha. It was a different era you moron, they fought 25 times a year and took fights on short notice and many of them were close uds you jackass.

Tony beat Jackie Kid Berg, Kid Chocolate, Al Singer, Lou Ambers, Jimmy Mclarnin all at lightweight, yeah he beat the better fighters you dickhead.

 

I've already given my final thoughts. End it. Let whoever wishes to look at this argument decide.

 

Give your final thoughts, Tony fought real fighters at lightweight, not a bunch of pretenders.

 

We were talking head to head when comparing Tony to Duran pimp, not resumes. Look over our debate, that was the topic when comparing these two.

 

Why is Duran going to be better head to head? I dont understand why this has always got to be taken as a fact, he never had a rival at his weightclass like Canzoneri did.

Hell Tony Ayala looks wicked on film, I just claim that he knocks terry norris the **** out, right?

 

Could you imagine Tony in his era. Getting 4 months off between each fight for 7 years and only having Buchanon and De Jesus as real threats to your belt.

 

Difference is, you vastly underrate Duran's LW competition, which was very good, and which he dominated completely. Ayala, on the other hand, literally fought nobody.

 

Put Duran in Tony's era, where he fights 25 times a year and has Barney Ross, Jimmy Mclarnin, Lou Ambers, and Tony Canzoneri as his competiton. I can guarantee you will see more L's on his resume.

 

If they were non-title bouts, that is a possibility, even though you're over-doing it with Tony's activity. In title bouts, none of these guys really looks the type to give Duran excessive trouble, especially not guys like Ross and McLarnin. As far as Tony's activity, as said, 25 bouts a year is over-doing it, it was probably less than 20.

 

Ya I guess a young undefeated middleweight champion who resembles carlos monzon in every regard, who just beat the best puncher in the division and twice whipped the undefeated middleweight champion(who beat hopkins twice) doesnt rate well h2h right? pavlik is going to be great

 

Terry Norris on Oscars pure boxing level? thats laughable. . Orlin norris was a better boxer than his brother. damm fine boxer on film. but Terry Norris on oscars level in boxing ability? LOL. To find pure boxers on oscars level of boxing ability you have to go back to sugar ray leonard, wilfredo benitez, michael spinx, etc. oscar was the best boxer of our generation. winky was a very good boxer. he rates up there, but you still hadvnt named a pure boxer of the 1990s better than oscar.

 

I would say Abraham is the best puncher (outside of Pavlik), though Miranda could be argued too. But i don't think either is clearly above the other, although Abraham seems to be better head-to-head.




As for the thread, i'd go with Roy Jones at 168. He punched extremely hard (only Hopkins and Toney went the distance, both of whom have an iron chin), Jones had no durability trouble, better speed of hand and foot than anyone in history, can box, can fight off the ropes, everything.

 

Jones rates my # 1 168lbers all time too. good choice. h2h he is rates top 5 at 160lb too.....

 

Monzon had many subtleties to his game, with Pavlik, that is not the case. What you see is what you get from Pavlik. He is not exceptionally quick, those are the only resemblances between the two, as Pavlik's timing is overrated, mainly amplified by the fact that he throws so many punches and is bound to connect at some point. Not similar to Monzon stylstically, just athletically. He nearly lost twice to Jermain Taylor, who is such a mediocre fighter in every sense aside from athleticism. Good wins, and they prove him a good fighter, but he's no ATG I wouldn't say, even in this rather weak MW era. Let him step up in weight and watch him take a beating from Kessler.

 

Pernell at 135 doesn't quite do it for me. I think I have seen better. We won't really know for sure because he never really beat anyone at that weight except for Greg Haugen and Roger Mayweather. But this is not demanding opposition at all.

This doesn't take away from the talents of Whitaker who was a clever fighter But how would he have done aginst say a Hector Camacho (circa 1985)? Sad to say but he never got to fight the best lightweight on his era. Missing are the big names Arguello, Pryor, Camacho who I believe intimidated Pryor and Whitaker both. He was just that good.