The Mountain That Punches: Young George Foreman

I agree, they are like genius's. But so are the Klits etc. And larger schools are more likely to have a genius, or more genius's. That's the concept behind seperating them into divisions, it's possible but unlikely smaller schools will put out better talent. And I understand you would likely say Foreman etc are the exceptions and they are better than any modern fighter. That's a subjective opinion and your welcome to it. I think Foreman would have a chance against alot of top hws nowadays for matchup reasons. But generally my subjective opinion is that modern greats, while their legacy isn't as great as Ali or Louis, would pound them h2h. And while it is subjective, it's backed by most objective facts, trends, and logic.

Re Mexico, not sure I follow you. They have great fighters for two reasons, first they are a highly populated country, and second they follow boxing more than average, making their natural talent more likely to get into the sport.

 

His point isn't that they are less well trained (or at least, that's not his main point), its that they are less talented. It's that they were in an era that had maybe half to a third of the world's population, and therefore a smaller talent pool, where there weren't any truly skilled giants, whereas now there is a big enough talent pool that we are seeing giants with the skills of a smaller man.

 

That's where we don't agree, talent and skills are very different. You can learn skills but you're born with talents. Going by your previous post, you can learn all you want in school but a regular person will never become a genius. Same principal with boxing, you can learn how to throw a punch, you can learn how to move, you can learn how to dodge. What you can't learn or teach is to increase your punching power, you can't teach or learn to have an iron chin, you can't teach or learn to become a master defense fighter. Do you get the point.

 

Foreman fought in the Golden era of Heavyweight Boxing we will never see the likes of it again...76 Fight 5 Defeats and was still fighting in his late 40s.... add to that a Granite Chin and Missiles in both hands..... Prime Foreman would destroy anything around at Heavyweight at the moment end of story.!!!!

 

People tend to forget that he also won a gold medal in the 1968 Olympics.

 

And made a Comeback at 46 and won a World Title....

 

Shannon Briggs is 6'4 230 pounds in his prime. Tasted Foreman's power and ran like a female. Foreman knocked out 6'4 230 pound Coezter much easier than 6'5 Riddick Bowe did. Foreman beat 6'5 240 pound Lou Savarase.

Foreman fought "Bigfoot" Martin and knocked him down with one punch. 9 years later Wlad fought a overweight washed up Martin and landed blow after blow and couldn't hurt him.

You clearly don't know a thing about boxing and nothing you type should be taken seriously.

 

Foreman was 6'3 1/2 230 pounds as a 18/19 year old. Wlad was listed at 6'6 220 as a 20 plus year old. Foreman had more bulk. You think he couldn't put on 10 pounds of muscle if he wanted or take PED's like most guys do today? In any case 6'4 230 pound Corrie Sanders knocked out Wlad in 4 minutes.

 

Sparred Valuev...

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These are the guys Foreman fought in his career who was 6'3 or taller.

Chuck Wepner, Ken Norton, Ron Lyle, Gerry Cooney, Shannon Briggs, Lou Savarase, Pierre Coetzer, Roberto Davila, Bob Hazleton, Jack O'Halloran, Mel Turnbow, Stamford Harris, Ollie Wilson, David Jaco, Mike Jamison, Alex Stewart, Axel Schulz. I am not saying all of these guys were great or even good. I am just naming taller guys Foreman fought. I could of also add the 20 guys who were 6'2 so I could put up Ali and Tommy Morrison. Then you can go even further and say they had weights for various fighters back in the day but not their height.

You can go even further and say Foreman did fight in this Era since Wlad and Briggs and maybe others were fighter in the late 90's when Foreman retired. Some people act like Foreman last fought in the 40's. Which is funny since you frequently see Rocky Marciano fans saying he could beat modern sized heavyweights when he was only 5'10 185 pounds and fought guys that size and smaller.

 

Maybe I'm not clued up enough to disagree with you but when you see what he did to Frazier,Norton ect his power sure looks real to me and I'm not sure if Parker would look at all powerful against the top cruiser weights as to measure Parkers power against Foremans against Frazier ect to make it comparable it would have to be against someone like Usyk,Lebedev and given that Parker isn't known as a big puncher I'm not sure he would look any more powerful against those guys?

 

Yeah Absoloutly his skill isn't credited enough because of his power,maybe he'd of struggled against the super heavyweights of today ie Wlad tying him up but just one punch from that version of Foreman would have finished anyone of today,it's not nostalgia it's common sense?

 

He had a great 70's but was only a great story in the 90's. And enough with the but but bu b, he ko'd Moorer, Moorer was Chinny and also came from lhw, foreman would be on the small side for a hw today and if you go back and actually watch him, he had no real skill implemented into.his fight game.

He used brute force and only fought for the KO, he was so much bigger than the rest it was silly like Wlad vs most of his opponents from 2000 to 2012 Ish.

Foreman actually implemented some boxing skills into his game and started thinking in that ring. Him losing to Ali was really George losing to himself. He was too slow and wild to land on Ali which exhausted him, had very little to do with Ali's offense, was his defense, toughness and stamina.

If George fought with his head too, he'd easily had beaten Ali. That's why there was no rematch, Ali and his team knew that was the only way he could win and George wouldn't be dumb to the point of doing the exact same idiotic **** again.

Fyi: certain fans who think yesterday's fighters could compete with modern fighters are nothing short of ****ing ******s. That's on a whole, today's fighters would wreck every past era's in huge tournamentselection.

Of course there are exceptions, true greats are greats but more than half of the old timers that are labeled great are great for their time and very far from true great fighters

 

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Wladimir knocked out Chris Byrd who was a light heavyweight. Vitali K knocked out Juan Carlos Gomez a cruiserweight and Thomasz Adamek a cruiserweight. Also as I just said Wlad fought back in the 90's so George Foreman was around Foreman's era.

Foreman was 6'3 1/2 230 as a teenager. Lol how is that small compared to todays heavyweights. You are just pulling stuff out of your ass.