The mysterious saga of Fake Archie Moore

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  1. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    My thoughts exactly. Interesting story, but maybe a bit of Occam's razor going on here.
     
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  2. Jason Thomas

    Jason Thomas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I do think there is a good point being made here.

    I tend to accept as more accurate the old Ring Record Books as the men who compiled them were there. For example, were the fights of a man named Savoldi back in the early 1930's really fights by Lee Savold? How can one tell at this point? Another example is the three supposedly "exhibition" fights Joe Louis had in 1935, one of which was against Roscoe Toles. Louis was high profile and observers at the time accepted these as legit pro fights. Don't forget that the term exhibition was not necessarily that well-defined under different state laws. I credit the guys actually on the ground at the time as knowing what was what more than someone trying to figure things out over 80 years later.
     
  3. SolomonDeedes

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    Strange, but I guess Boxrec is an ongoing project, and maybe it's only recently that the Shreveport newspapers have become easily accessible.
     
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  4. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    As is all historical research. Old bouts are found all the time. I assume the newspaper accounts would suffice to get these fights recognized if someone tied it up in a bow and sent it to them.
     
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  5. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It’s absolutely possible. But we know more than we did when I started this thread due to discovery by @SolomonDeedes of another bout of likely the same person in Louisiana, then jumping off into a slew of undiscovered-by-boxrec activity in Shreveport, Louisiana.

    That’s how historic knowledge is advanced — someone finds a curiosity or stumbles upon something and then throws it out for examination and exploration. Would it be better to not post it at all, or just start a post that says ‘Hey boxrec has a guy named Fake Archie Moore, lol’ and leave it at that?
     
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  6. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Fascinating thread.
     
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  7. JohnThomas1

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    Plot twist - fake Achibald went on a tear in Australia.

    But i think Solomon put things on the right track as Pat noted per a rich little vein of pro fights looking like they were never recorded. One wonders how much more is out there.
     
  8. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Since you’ve got a bit of an X-Files doppelgänger twist going with the Archies switching in Australia, I can answer your question with …

    The truth is out there.

    (Not a Carl Williams reference.)
     
  9. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Gotta be a quote from FBI Special Agent Denise Bryson who later became the FBI Chief of Staff.

    Either that or something to do with Larry Holmes explaining why you don't need a Foreman Grill.
     
  10. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I cooked a nice filet on my Foreman grill last night and it was very tasty.
     
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  11. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    "You can just tilt the pan" - The Easton Assassin
     
  12. Saintpat

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    I love Larry, but the pan only cooks one side at the time.
     
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  13. FThabxinfan

    FThabxinfan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Archie Moore had a real name of Archibald Lee Wright,I think the st Louis guy might be an actual person with his real full name being Archie Moore.

    Does that mean the old mongoose we all know and love is the faker then?
     
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  14. bolo specialist

    bolo specialist Boxing Addict Full Member

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    1 of these articles mentions that "Joe Domino and Thad Lee, lightweights, boxed eight rounds to a draw." Another mentions that "Thad Lee stopped Jimmy Lewis in the first round of a scheduled eight rounder." I found Joe Domino's record here, & there's no 8-rnd draw w/ any Thad Lee on it, & Thad Lee's record here only shows a 4-round loss to a "James" Lewis.

    I think it's interesting that a pre-fight article touts "Moore" as a "St. Louis puncher" w/ "kayoes over some of the best in the Mid-West," yet the post-fight article simply says he's from Chicago. That suggests to me that the pre-fight article conflated a Chicagoan using the name "Moore" w/ the real 1 (who was already nationally known from being a ranked mw by this time), & the post-fight article rectified that mistake by (correctly) acknowledging him as a Chicagoan.
     
  15. Shay Sonya

    Shay Sonya The REAL Wonder Woman! Full Member

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