The myth of Canelo being "weighed drained" against Mayweather and other excuses debunked

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  1. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Mayweather refused to fight him at 154-lb like he did Cotto. He needed A-side advantages to weaken Canelo in order to fight him. There's no defending those tactics by Mayweather and it creates an asterisk on the victory because for two reigning 154-lb Champions in a Unification at 154-lb to fight at a catchweight is utterly absurd. It would like if Castaño fought Charlo at a 152-lbs catchweight even though both were 154-lb champs. It would never happen. Only Mayweather was able to get away with something like that, and we need to call that out for what it was. A cowardly attempt to gain an advantage. There's no use defending Mayweather here, as you have seen from the responses no one's buying your argument. It was not a legitimate victory. But Canelo as a young kid wanted to do anything to get Mayweather in the ring, and he was willing to sacrifice himself to make it happen. It wasn't smart to do that, and DLH warned him about it, but it worked out because that fight even in a losing effort made Canelo into a household name and it catapulted him to Super Stardom.
    The green is just code for weight drained. He looked more green because he was weight drained. Now granted, Canelo was "green" when it came to negotiating with Mayweather. He was green in the sense that he didn't insist that it be at 154-lb, and he learned a hard lesson from that. He was also "green" in terms of how old he was, he was "green" at Main Eventing Pay Per Views. But as far as overall experience he had plenty of it. But even with all the fights he had, he was still somewhat green in the sense that he was still developing as a fighter. Every fighter peaks at different times. Some fighters peak in their early or mid-20s. Canelo kept developing into his 30s. And in retrospect, given what Canelo has become, that was a very limited version who fought Mayweather. Both in terms of his development as a fighter and in terms of being weight drained.
     
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  2. shadow111

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    The Catchweight clearly drained Canelo. Canelo was bone dry and a skeleton at the weigh-in. You'd have to be blind not to see that he was weight drained. Of course he rehydrated a lot after the weigh-in because he probably had to starve himself for days to make that weight.
     
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  3. Loudon

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    Canelo proposed it to make the fight.

    Floyd enforced it, which he didn’t need to.
     
  4. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    For the last time Canelo was not weight drained during his fight against Mayweather, even if that was Mayweathers intention. Canelo himself declined 147lb and 150lb catchweight options given to him and proposed the catchweight of 152lb to Mayweathers team (they accepted it) and Canelo made weight just fine and rehydrated to 165lb on fight night.
     
  5. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Canelo proposed it, Floyd accepted it
     
  6. shadow111

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    Not quite. What happened was 2 years before, in 2011, Canelo was asked in an interview if he was interested in fighting Mayweather. That was before Mayweather moved up to 154-lb to fight Cotto, so at that point he was fighting exclusively at 147.

    A catchweight was mentioned in the question, but Canelo did not specifically address the catchweight, he merely said Yes he was interested in fighting Mayweather. That was re-translated into Canelo wanting a catchweight. That was never what he said or what he requested. His desire to fight Mayweather back in 2011 was spun 2 years later by Mayweather and his team into Canelo proposing a catchweight.
     
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  7. MarkusFlorez99

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    Starve himself for days ? He had 5 months to make weight. What the hell are you talking about
     
  9. shadow111

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    Mayweather was trying to get Canelo to drain himself as low as possible. First 147, then 150, Canelo kept saying no I can't do that. Mayweather refused to agree to 154, so Canelo finally caved in and said OK I'll agree to 152. It was never Canelo's idea. His 2011 interview was twisted through poor translation into him wanting a catchweight. The whole thing was BS from Mayweather in an attempt to weaken Canelo then lie to the public making it seem like it was Canelo's idea.
     
  10. MarkusFlorez99

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    He took the fight and made weight easily though. He had months to do so and he rehydrated anyway
     
  11. Loudon

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    No.

    Stop giving him a pass.

    Canelo proposed it because Floyd wouldn’t take the fight at the limit.

    Canelo had to propose it in order to make the fight, and then Ellerbe jumped onto it and stuck to it like glue.

    You cannot defend his actions when he’d just fought Cotto at 154 and that belt was on the line.
     
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  12. MarkusFlorez99

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  13. shadow111

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    He did the best he could to make 152-lbs as safely as possible, but it was clearly a struggle for him. Look at his condition at the weigh-in. Then he rehydrated. You're acting like rehydrating after the weigh-in proves that he didn't struggle to make weight. That's nonsensical.
     
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  14. MarkusFlorez99

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    Im not giving Floyd a pass, its obvious he didn't take a whole lot of risks in his career and played chess with his matchmaking. Avoiding Khan, him and Pacquiao disagreeing with negotiations and uneessecary testing etc. He used his privileges to the max. Thats why i don't see him along with SRR or Duran or Hagler etc. But answer me this.

    Did the catchweight affect Canelo's performance ? Did the 2 pound difference make him weaker ? Even though he rehydrated to 165 pounds on the night ? He wasn't 152lb in the ring. He was not weight drained, he made weight easily and he had 5 months to do so. Canelo had a 15 pound advantage and it did nothing. Canelo himself says this. Canelo makes no excuses because he knew Mayweather was the better fighter on the night
     
  15. The Real Lance

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    Floyd fought Oscar 6 years prior at 154
     
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