The Myth of the Puerto Rican boxing vs. Mexican and Mex-American boxers

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Ruderic, Mar 23, 2012.


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  1. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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  2. Ruderic

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    What bouts? The one you deem to be the best ones? The ones that you saw in Showtime or HBO or the ones you selected to be the most important ones...I guess World title bouts are not important in your point of view? as for stupid sorry! but anyone that can dispute with facts is the stupid one. show me your list of the most important ones and what significance they had.


    1. Sixto Escobar defeats Rodolfo “Baby” Casanovas by KO 9: Montreal Athletic Commission World Bantamweight title 1930.
    2. Carlos Ortiz defeats Raymundo “Battling” Torres by KO 10: World Lightweight title 1960.
    3. Wilfredo Gomez defeats Carlos Zarate TKO 5: WBC Super Bantamweight title 1978.
    4. Wilfredo “El Radar" Benitez defeats Carlos Palomino by SD 15: WBC Welterweight title 1979.
    5. Pipino Cuevas defeats Angel Espada by TKO 12: WBA World Welterweight title 1977.
    6. Esteban De Jesus defeats Vicente Mijares Saldivar by TKO 11: WBC Lightweight title 1977.
    7. Salvador Sanchez defeats Wilfredo Gomez TKO 8: WBC Featherweight title 1981.
    8. Julio Cesar Chavez defeats Edwin "Chapo" Rosario by TKO 11: WBA Lightweight title 1987.
    9. Felix “Tito” Trinidad defeats Oscar De La Hoya by MD: WBC / IBF Welterweight title 1999.
    10. Ricardo Lopez defeats Alex Sanchez by TKO 5: WBC/WBO Minimumweight title 1997.
    11. Wilfredo Vasquez defeats Orlando Canizales by SD 15: Super Bantamweight title 1995.

    12. Felix “Tito” Trinidad defeats Fernando Vargas by TKO 12: WBA World Light Middleweight title 2000.
    13. Antonio Margarito defeats Miguel Angel Cotto by TKO 11: WBA Welterweight title 2008.
    14. Miguel Angel Cotto defeats Antonio Margarito TKO 10: WBA Jr. Middleweight 2011.
    15. Orlando Salido defeats Juan Manuel Marquez by TKO 10: WBO featherweight title 2012.
     
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  4. Ruderic

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    Sorry, that myth and the same narrative of we got the best boxers etc. is played out. Mexico has had great champions , but not many accomplished anything of greatness. Outside a few like Ricardo Lopez and Kid Azteca...

    Mexican and Mexican - Americans still had to rob Martinez to get middleweight champ in 2011. While Puerto Rico has had a champion in every division of boxing... Mind you boxing isn't even the only sport Puerto Rico excels at while Mexico just has a mediocre futbol team and Boxing both riddle with Steroids scandals lets keep it real...

    I'll put Pedro Montanez 91 - 9 - 4 (56 KO’s) record in the 1930's and Elberto Louis Hardwick Arroyo (Herbert Lewis Hardwick) 176-56 (48) against your precious Chavez any time...
     
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  5. Ruderic

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    When was the last time you heard a Puerto Rican Boxer hiring an EX Steroids dealer turn FBI informant as a nutritionist?

    When was the last time you heard of Puerto Rican involved in a steroids or Ped's sacndal?

    Last Mex was Eloy Perez who was on cocaine when Broner made him break dance...

    That myth of the Mexican warrior ask Ortiz, DelaHoya, Guerrero, Marquez, and Morales. Sorry but that b.s. is played out about the great chin ask Montiel, Perez, Solis, Rojas, etc how good is their chin ?
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  6. LP_1985

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    Mares beat Juanma a few time in the amateurs as well
     
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  7. IsaL

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    :lol: You're a tool...I'll do better than show you a list of important bouts, give me a minute to reply to this absurd post of yours.


    :patsch :lol: These two Mexicans weren't ever world champions FFS...

    What the **** was the point of this post...I started replying but I didn't even know what the **** you were even trying to prove. :lol:

    Like I promised above, I was going to show you something, a list.

    Here's a list of what the consensus say were the BEST Puerto Rican champions of all time, now check which ones were Mexistamped.

    1. Wilfredo Benitez
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    - KTFO by a black guy who would wear a Mexican hat (Roger Mayweather) and who he himself got KTFO by a Mexican.

    I'll make a list of 10 of Mexico's best..

    1. Julio Cesar Chavez
    2. Salvador Sanchez
    3. Ricardo Lopez
    4. Erik Morales
    5. Marco Antonio Barrera
    6. Juan Manuel Marquez
    7. Oscar De La Hoya
    8. Vicente Saldivar (Not to be confused with Vicente Mijares Saldivar)
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    10. Ruben Olivares

    Solomon Garcia is also the first Hispanic to become World Champion and he was Mexican America.
     
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  8. Plaster...Sad

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    Absolutely. Lead poisoning in Mexico is a real concern.
     
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  9. Plaster...Sad

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    Simple math:

    I PR fighter has to fight about 20 Mexicans... When he finally loses to one, you get to pretend Mexicans are great.


    :hi:

    Gomez went through like 19 of your fighters before losing.
     
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  10. Plaster...Sad

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    ahahahahahahahaha!
     
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  11. IsaL

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    If that makes you sleep better at night. :good

    Doesn't change the fact that Mexico be tapping that Puerto Rican ass.
     
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  12. reed_man02

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    Not really, they haven't learn they should stay from Mexicans in the boxing ring. They keep challenging Mexicans and losing their titles. Not the sign of intelligence if you ask me.:D
     
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  13. Borincano

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    Ruderic, that was some very good posts and answers. It was getting ugly, but both Mexicans and PR's tried to keep it civil. I'm with you, but now the PR's are not doing so well and I think Isal is hyping the fact that Mexicans are doing a number on PR's right now. You can't dismiss the past though. All the name calling was uncalled for though. I mean, I keep hearing about all these trolls and so many that bring nothing to a boxing conversation and you guys debated very well. Whey I say you guys, that means Mex/PR. Oh, I really don't get the "I, ****** bit". Believe it or not, I never grew up with no Mexicans over when I grew up in Chelsea, MA. Yes, were the first Latino HW grew up.
     
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  14. Borincano

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    Very nice avatar pic. You got her number?
     
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    212-555 Culo
     
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