The Myth: Pacquiao has fought the very best

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  1. nastynas

    nastynas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That about sums it up. Now we can move on to more relevant matters.
     
  2. ReturnofTheKing

    ReturnofTheKing Member Full Member

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    yeah right you just listed zo who retied after losing, maussa (what the ****), urango, castillo and lazcano as better than:


    1. tim bradley
    2. kendall holt
    3. devon alexander
    4. ricardo torres
    5. junior witter


    no way you can beleive that...hatton was name and hadn't cleaned out 140 when pac fought him not by a longshot.

    once again lineal don't mean the best it is a distinction and not a real title.

    so once again are you saying haton was bette than bradley based on fighting zoo 4 years ago:deal
     
  3. Butterbee

    Butterbee New Member Full Member

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    Does it hurt went Gayweather does that to yo &SS? just wondering
     
  4. mrtony80

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  5. ReturnofTheKing

    ReturnofTheKing Member Full Member

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    so let me ask you what is more risk floyd fighting diego corrales who was undefeated or pac fighting ricky hatton who hadn't fought a dangerous fighter at 140 in 4 years. here's another one floyd fighting jose luis castillo in his first fight at 135 or pacman fighting hoya at 147 when hoya hadn't fought at that weight in 8 years:deal:admin

    don't worry I'll wait:deal


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    oscar had much tougher comp going up then pac, pernell whitaker, felix trinidad, genaro herndedz, ike quartey trump any comp pac had coming up. unless you consider a washed up morales, and barrerra supreme comp.:deal

    its easy david diaz was not the best at 135 nate campbell was pac could have foiught him but chose the weakest link.

    at 140 he fought hatton who was a name only and had done nothing of importance at 140 since beating zoo.

    at 147 he choose hoya instead of going for mosley, and he still ducked mosley again by going after cotto who looked terrible against clottey instead of moslewy who looked great against margarito:deal



    so solis, barrera the 2nd time, and morales the 2nd adn 3rd time , along with david diaz, oscar de la hoya , and ricky hatton were considered very good or elite fighters at that time..Idon't think so.:deal
    pac could have fought juan diaz/nate campbell winner at 135 but chose the weakest comp in david diaz..and floyd humiliated marquez so your circular logic is garbage..:thumbsup


    once again if you consider:

    didn't pac fight hatton, and de lahoya like floyd if pac is fighting the best which are the same fighters floyd is fighting how is it that floyd isn't fighting the best. they are fighting the same fighters:deal
     
  6. kriszhao

    kriszhao Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Damn you are one insecure racist son af a *****. Hatton was the best at 140 grow up Pac has fought by far greater comp the last few years and unlike Mayweather is not afraid of taking risks go hang off Mayweather's sack... Pack is deservedly p4p#1 and hatton was the man at 140.. get over it.:deal
     
  7. ReturnofTheKing

    ReturnofTheKing Member Full Member

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    the pot can't call the kettle black:hey:yep

    once agan david diaz, oscar de la hoya , and ricky hatton are not the best fighters in their weight class..oscar was not even ranked at 147. hatton hadn't fought anyone of note at 140 since zoo, and at 135 is david diaz the best pac could do:deal this is not the best:admin


    fighting hoya at 154 that would have been a risk, fighting cotto at 147 instead of 145 would have been a risk..alas pac did not do either and therefore did not fight the best from 135-147:deal
     
  8. tliang1000

    tliang1000 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Is true but still damn good.
     
  9. irishny

    irishny Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    So it comes back to this simple FACT. None of the people you mentioned above had a resume that is even comparable to Hattons. NONE!

    Im saying Bradleys resume is **** poor when compared to Hattons.

    Bradleys record reads like this
    SD over Witter.
    UD OVER Holt...and thats it as far as wins over top class fighters go.

    Hattons record reads like this
    RTD 11 over Tszyu(who he retired in the process)
    UD over Juan Urango
    UD over Collazo
    KO 4 over Castillo
    UD over Lazcano
    TKO 11 over Mallignaggi.

    So you still think that Bradley has a better resume than Hatton.

    HES BEATEN TWO DECENT FIGHTERS!!!
     
  10. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Floyd facing Diego was his absolute best win! But when he faced Diego...Diego was green. Sure he was phyically in his prime but he was not seasoned at that point. He beat no one before facing Floyd.....and to Floyds crdit...he was also green. I would say Hatton and Diego were about even in terms of the integrity of the win for both PAC and Floyd. Here's why.....Hatton was the lineal champ at 140. You can nit pick resume until you turn white, but the fact is Hatton was a good 140 champ. He had his flaws but so did Rock Marciano. PAC had to MOVE UP to face a bigger man....Diego was bigger than Floyd but Floyd didn't have to move anywhere. He was comfortable fighting Diego at their weight class. PAC had a fight at 147, where he had to pack on muscle...then Hatton came about...had to loose some weight but still never faught at 140. Diego got dominated and so did Ricky. Both very good wins. FLoyd's best but no the best for PAC.

    DLH did have tougher comp than PAC in his early yrs but PAC was not born in the US...his Pro circut was in the philipines and in Asia....not exactly the best AM program or the best competition for that matter. When PAC came to the US...his COMP STAYED HIGH and so did his performances. It's not how you start.....its all about how you finish!:good
    And EM and MAB were superme comp! MAB was P4P....EM was top of the heap, but he did loose to Zahair....completly terrible match up stye wise for EM and EM was lookng ahead to a PAC rematch. Still PAC did his thing against two MEX ATG's. Great wins.

    PAC went pretty much past 135 knowing he was going up in weight and had his eye on bigger matches. I think they knowingly went around Nate b/c Nate is a threat..or WAS! Nate was high risk...NO REWARD. Diaz wa low Risk with a decent reward given that he was a title holder.

    Had PAC faught and beat Holt, Bradely or Alexander.......he would have been given SOOOOOOO much **** for fighting guys who have done NOTHING! ANd very much UNPROVEN. PAC faced the best 140 fighter at the time in Ricky and we all know what happened.

    Cotto beat Shane.....of course shane beat Marg..but Cotto didn't look terrible against Josh. Josh is a very good fighter and a very big WW. Cotto impressed me. Shane did a more impressive Job but come on now home boy.....YOu know it's easier and more money is invovled with keeping fighters under the same banner on the same card or promotion. Shane may have been the bigger risk but Cotto already beat him.....so it is what it is brah.

    All those fighters PAC has beat are ELITE, ATG's or very good fighters aside from David Diaz......actually David gave Kendall Holt all kinds of problems before catching him and stopping him in there fight.

    There is a difference when Floyd fights guys who are smaller than him and PAC fights the same guys who are bigger! ANd the difference in how each of them won only solidifies that PAC is somehow "ahead" of floyd in common opponents.

    Floyd gets **** b/c FLoyd only does Floyd. If it don't make Money May dollars it don't make cents to Money Mayweather baby!! Floy has yet to face a REAL 147 lb fighter. PAC has. PAC has also faced and beaten the far better opposition in the last 8 years of his career vs Floyd's ENTIRE career. The only reason I'm entertiaing you is b/c I think you know what up...you just like Floyd. I like him too...but damn if that fool don't frustrate the **** outa me. He could be Ray Robinsion in the Flesh wth his natrual gifts, ablity and skills....he just doesn't have that kind of heart, will or "fire" that burns in the bellys of guys lik Ray, leonard, PAC , ALI ect. and for that Floyd gets little respect in a sport who has not only made him but given him so much.
     
  11. Sweet Pea Pacquiao

    Sweet Pea Pacquiao Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This post alone screams stupidity and just outright bias.

    Witter barely beat Corley, scraped by Kotelnik, and he was a better option than Hatton?

    Alexander wasn't anywhere near the Top 30 P4P and you had him higher than Hatton #7 P4P.

    Torres???? TORRES????? The Torres that lost to Cotto and had a close fight with Holt followed by a controversial KO?

    Shut up.
     
  12. kriszhao

    kriszhao Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  13. ero-sennin

    ero-sennin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    this thread is an epic fail.:nono
     
  14. HyperBone

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    :lol::lol::lol: