Show me all the people saying he is a great boxer. All the articles tipping him to be the top dog or a top prospect. This thread has been a complete waste of time, about 3 people actually got the point I was making.
to me he is defintiely overrated. over 40 fights and not one great win. he is young so th ere is upside but i dont get the whole mantra of a gazillion fights before a big one.
there was one fight in mexico where in jr losing then the lights went out. when it came back his opponent quit. lol! i still have the fight on my disks. that mafia **** was hilarious.
every Mexican i know says Chavez Jr. he's ****, and SHOULD RETIRE. i agree, so i don't know who's overrating him.
I dont know how far he will go but he is being intelligently managed and has a great trainer and continues to win He also is making a **** heap of money he is a PPV star before 25 In all honesty Chavez Sr fought **** competition for his first 43 fights in which before claiming his first title a vacant one he fought a 4-6 opponent and a 3-3 opponent all around the age of 22 Now Jr's in boxing rarely ever do better than the SR's the next generation rarely ever does better than the first At 24 JCC Jr is ranked at middleweight in the organizations is 42-0-1 kinda like daddy he is undefeated through 43 bouts and has yet to beat real competition however instead of facing 4-6 and 3-3 and opponents he is facing 22-8 Lyell a guy who fought for a title and 29-1 highly ranked contender John Duddy So in all honesty he is doing just fine
Totally agree with the post. You can't overrate an unrated fighter. He's not great and will never be his dad. But he also hasn't done anything to deserve so much hate. Its tough on here Elvis, when you put a good thought together 90 percent of this audience can't comprehend it.
Considering the frequency with which these guys use the term "overrated", you'd think they'd at least know what it means. Or, maybe you could say, considering the frequency with which these guys use the term "overrated", you'd think they wouldn't know what the word means. In the case of the latter, this reaction makes perfect sense, I guess.
Not sure where people get the overated but he is definatly a hype job. You don't get as many PPV showing as he does if you're not hyped. He is an over protected hype job and not an overated boxer. He is about a C level fighter. Not even close to being underated. If it wasn't for his name he wouldn't have even gotten this far.
I see your point and agree. Can't be overrated if 95% of everybody thinks you suck. However, you can be overrated in terms of how much people talk about you, how you are promoted, sanctioning bodies rankings, and purse size. In those senses, yes he IS overrated. Do you still deny the above points I just made?
Another point you seem to have not considered when you created this thread to one up everyone: His PPV buys number the thousands. I honestly don't know for sure, but they do well. He can be seen as overrated since there are 175+ fighters whom deserve to headline a PPV over JCC Jr. based on merit in the ring. I see exactly what your point is, Elvis, but the truth/answer lies exactly 50% between both arguments.
Try and follow me here. I'm going to make an important point; I promise. For a long time Grady Brewer was my favorite journeyman. Brewer had a ton of natural raw talent, but he had virtually no amatuer experience. He learned to fight by winning 4 out of 5 of the toughman competitions he entered. When he turned to professional boxing his first 15 opponents included Kelly Pavlik, Peter Manfredo jr, and Jermain Taylor. His next 10 opponents included Carlos Borjorquez, Jose Luis Zertuche, and Sechew Powell. Grady had no manager and no promoter, and he fought anybody, anytime, anyplace, on any amount of notice. Consequently, a kid who could have been a damn good world titlist never had the opportunity to develop his raw talent, and never made it past journeyman level. Chavez jr, like Brewer, had no amatuer background to speak of. However, Chavez jr has a good promoter and a smart manager. He's learning on the job, and in the sport of boxing that is a very dangerous route to take. He needs to be carefully spoon fed, and it is important to remember, he has 43 fights total. Felix Sturm, Jermain Taylor, Kelly Pavlik, and many other middleweights had more fights than Chavez has now by the time they were 11 or 12 years old. Any argument over whether Junior is over-rated or under-rated is irrelevant. The important question is: How should his management and promotional team handle him? Should they throw him to the wolves, and turn him into another Grady Brewer, or should they give him every opportunity to develop whatever potential he may have?
This thread has become laughable to read through. But I read and totally agree with your points my man :good
Good thread Elivs with the right idea, its a shame some of the idiots on here cant understand f uck all and go on again and again against the whole point of the thread. I have seen you say at least Seven times, that Chavez Jnr is not overrated, because no one rates him in the first place. He is under rated because he is no bum journeyman the way people make him out to be, just not a top level fighter, a gatekeeper at best. Yet people still choose to ignore this. Idiots mate. :good
**** me some people on here are thick. Great points you made Elvis, I don't know anyone who thinks he's good.