The names missing from Joe Calzaghe's CV

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I'm also not a fan of this "he might have got robbed" gubbins for any fighter - if the right offer is on the table then I think fighters have the responsibility to be prepared to travel to meet their peers[/quote]

In general I'd agree with you, but I think Ottke has to be seen as a more extreme case than most.

There's a qualitative difference between conceding that one might not get a close points decision, or even that one might need a ko to win, and the situation where you may not even be able to punch your opponent without attracting the attention of the referee.

 

:deal At least somebody here has half a brain and the ability to think independently!

 

If he had beaten a prime Jones it would have added significantly to it, possibly put him into the ATG sphere - witness my previous post about Johnson. He beat a past it Jones and because of this some people think he is elite despite the 13 losses.

 

r u serious??????? BIKA is sloppy, wild and crude....whereas Glen Johnson is a disciplined killer in the ring. Glen is light years above Sakio in terms of technique, skill and overall ability!

 

When it's all said and done, Joe didn't face any ATG's in their primes. He should tango with Johnson and Dawson to shut the naysayers.

 

Jermain Taylor has much better wins than Joe Calzaghe.:bart

 

Are they ATG's in their Prime?

By the way, Roy Jones and Floyd didnt face any Prime ATG's either.

 

He is, which is precisely why he'd probably be an easier fight. Bika is wild, sloppy, dirty and unpredictable, doesn't do anything by the book but those kind of guys are very hard to fight and even harder to look good against, particularly when you consider Calzaghe has a history of fighting to his opponent's level (witness his showings v Starie, Thornberry, Salem etc... compared to the Eubank, Woodhall, Sheika, Lacy and Kessler showings). I wouldn't call Johnson a killer, sure he is a quite effective aggressor but so too were Sheika, Mitchell and Lacy, Calzaghe thrives off of that kind of fighter, it's the awkward ones who can make him look bad.

 

This is completely besides the point of the thread but no he doesn't. He has two wins over Hopkins I will grant you (Calzaghe has one). Who else is there:

Taylor

Joppy
Spinks
Ouma
Lacy (Calzaghe cast-off)

Who else, Kingsley Ikeke?

Calzaghe has Eubank, Reid, Woodhall, Sheika, Brewer, Mitchell, Kessler, Lacy and Bika. His is the better resume as of now (Taylor may have time to change that depending how he does at 168).

 

Agreed to an extent, my comment was more a general response to the thread starter. Plus, I don't think there was ever a serious offer on the table to fight Ottke so the point is a moot one.

 

JOE is the greatest SMW ever. ottle wanted no part of joe. and BEYER was he pasted in 4 by kessler

 

Yeah, that was hardly ' conveniently retiring ' - A slap to the head could have killed him

 

Fought everbody at the end of their careers, should have been fighting in vegas 10 years ago, retiring undefeated is not great if you never fought people in their prime.

 

i do not know if ottke would have come to the uk.

but it would have taken 4 million usa dollars or about 2 million uk pounds at the time to tempt him.

offering ottke half of what he made for fighting starie is not going to get the job done.

if warren had offered big money then we would have known if the fight was serious or not.

i watched all ottke`s defenses and all of his interview`s and calzaghe was never brought up at all in any after fight speech ,and ottke made them after every fight ,or in any interview.

calzaghe never exsisted to him.

wilfred sauerland never made an offer to warren , so its obvious he had as much intrest as warren.

both had cash cows, both were content to milk them dry.

calzaghe could have and should have stipulated to warren that he wanted warren to pull out all the stops and make the fight.

ottke was in a long decline in his 30`s and IMO it was not much of a gamble to take.
or at least tried.

finnally no i dont mean warren bid 4 million and calzaghe to go to germany, if team sauerland had offered it the other way around ,4 million to come to germany then i think joe should have accepted.