The new Ring magazine top ten P4P.

I don't think Calderon should be on there. Or Cotto. Or Margarito. Rafael has better case than JM in my opinion since he actually beat Vasquez once. But like I said, there is apparently Latino bias. Pavlik should have never been on there. On the flipside I think Winky Wright should still be on there. Willams hasn't done ****. If Willams beats Verno Phillips which is no gimme, he would still need to have at least one succesful defense and another big name win on his resume like against Forrest or DLH before he can be considered for the top ten. The idea that he could be competitive with the top fighters at 160 based on a win against nobody Kolle is ridiculous. Margarito has a case since he's the only the fighter today that's been systematically fighting all of the top fighters in his division and being very successful at that, but his a one-weight champ and and his style doesn't translate into being able to beat bigger opponents. I also think Haye and Kitschko bros deserve some recognition for their domination. And another guy I feel who is one big win away from getting on there would be Kessler.

 

Winky has been inactive too long to still be on there and hasn't done anything.

 

Losing a close fight to BHop 10lbs above his weight class shouldn't have knocked him out the top ten. If he was Latino, he'd probably still be on there. Just because he's been inactive shouldn't mean he loses his spot. IMO, he needs to either be beaten decisively to where its obvious that his skills have diminished or retire to be knocked off the list. What I'm really trying to say is that it should be based on what you've accomplished in the ring, not what people assume about you, that you're shot or you're the next big thing. Assumptions are what get guys like Pavlik and Williams on the list pre-maturely.

 

wow, marquez #2. i still think that spot should belong to calzaghe.

 

No. P4P lists are all about what you have done lately. Winky hasn't had a good win since beating the inactive Felix Trinidad in 2005. He drew with Taylor, beat an old Ike Quartey and lost to Hopkins. The fighters on that list are more deserving than Wright.

 

Hopkins is way too high. He is roughly 17-22.

 

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Juan Manuel Marquez
3. Joe Calzaghe
4. Bernard Hopkins
5. Israel Vasquez
6. Antonio Margarito
7. Rafael Nadal
8. Ivan Calderon
9. Miguel Cotto
10. Paul Williams

 

What is your point about Cal? You don't even make sense with what you're saying about Hopkins and Calzaghe. Then you refer to Hatton beating Collazo for a recgonized title. Did you even do the research on how Collazo got his title? You talk out of two sides of your mouth:nono .

Cotto lost one fight, so you don't know if he can't handle the bigger guys at 147. You don't know if Williams or Margarito would get beat by any of the champions at 160 given that they have time to train to move up. Then you say Hatton got outclassed by Floyd and that it mean that he might not fail against everyone there, yet you came to the conclusion that Cotto can't deal with bigger guys(he fought only AM) and that AM and Williams can't win at 160. You have some assumptions that I might agree with, but please, don't state them as if they are fact. :nono

 

Your #7 fighter pfp. I saw him fight a guy with a tennis racket. Is this true?:rasta

 

Guys, have you watched Calderon fight? And if the answer is yes, you do not see that he has great skills as a fighter? Seriously?

People often diss the lower weight divisions just because they are not popular and most fighters are relatively unknown. That doesn't mean Calderon hasn't beaten good/dangerous fighters and that he doesn't deserve to be in a p4p list based on his skills and his record.

The guy is 32-0 with 11 consecutive defenses at Minimumweight and 3 consecutive defenses at Light Flyweight. Hell, he took the Light Flyweight title in his FIRST attempt moving up in weight from a man (Cazares) who weighed about 20 pounds more than him come fight-time! And he won the rematch too! In addition, he beat solid fighters like Reyes and Dieppa in convincing fashion.

There are not many fights out there that Calderon could take to further establish himself, Ulises Solis is the obvious choice of course, as the winner will definitely be THE man at Light Fly. Another good fight would be Edgar Sosa and one could mention some nice young fighters out there like Canchila or Segura, but only Solis has a decent chance to beat Calderon, really. Other than that, there is not much else, so it's not like there are tons of elite fighters out there right now, but Calderon hasn't fought them.

 

Calzaghe should be no lower than #2

the order of this list is trashatsch

 

lmao@ Vic Darchinyan

 

You shouldn't be on the list for merely besting solid fighters. Achilles wasn't **** without Hector. He should move up and fight Nonito Donaire. If Pacquiao can go from 108 to 147 (well at least 135), it shouldn't be much to ask for a straw to go to Fly. Its not like he hasn't fought at 112 before.

 

Cotto has had a more extensive and impressive record than both Margo and Williams...

Cotto cleaned the ****in' floor with the 140 division then moved on to fight in the 147 division and beat some prime up and comers (Judah aside) and a shot legend...

Margo is known for beating Cintron Clottey and Cotto...two of which are smaller and nearly losing to Clottey...wow really? :tired

Williams is known for what? Losing to a fighter he SERIOUSLY shouldnt have lost to and beating Margo...and some bum at MW...:-((

Dont get me wrong...both fighters are feared and dodged...but they lack name recognition as well as a list of dangerous fighters

Cotto DEFINITELY deserves to be much higher than where he is...8 or 9 is bull****!...but i must admit im a bit biased when it comes to Cotto...so i guess my opinion is invalid :think

 

i still say calz is being robbed at 3 he is a clear 2.jmm 4 behind b hop at 3.
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